Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

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Re: Hindu boy converts to Islam in Pakistan

@chaibiskut

Deflection? I expect better from an undefeated debating champion.

I never claimed that, but let me ask you,

Is this the reason you are so adamant in not getting the point that, the show never had any content which should threaten anyone?

Now, delusional thoughts cannot be cured by mere suggestions and giving logical answers, do they?

@chaibiskut

You are treading dangerous ground by framing the argument to pit Islam against Hinduism.

Another delusion of yours, like seeing something threatening for minorities in the show, despite NO evidence for it.

@chaibiskut

Why are you asking the question in the first place? Implying that a fellow Pakistani who happens to be Hindu should convert is an affront to your country’s flag.

Which question?

You seem to be stuck on the idea which was thrown above by Med911.

“Letting minority stay minority at all cost for keeping the white color on the flag…regardless someone is willing to choose a religion which happens to belong to the majority”

@chaibiskut

The white stripe symbolizes non-Muslims and is a commitment to their survival. Have you any respect for this?
Why do you “prefer” someone to follow the Prophet Muhammad? More importantly, how does your ‘preference’ of someone else’s religious orientation matter?

Where did you get that?

White color has two meanings: One representing and respecting the minorities (traditional) and other is Peace (Modern).

**You are talking utter nonsense here when assuming somehow I have no respect for those minorities who choose to belong minorities. **

Who cares, Religion is a personal matter right?

So why bother when someone freely converts…

@chaibiskut

I often “prefer” that you sthu, but will that happen? Unlikely, and I have made peace with the fact.

Why do you prefer that?

Do you feel threatened that you will somehow be refuted on your nonsense ideas? Me very harmless dear.

@chaibiskut

What message is this conversion meant to give the public? In a society where religion is a volatile issue, and minorities feel disenfranchised? In a society where a particular brand of Islam has begun to dominate the public space? Where the courts and police fail to protect citizens, especially minorities? Whether the conversion was forced, while significant, is a parallel discussion.

Oh the same old argument.

One show and too much drama.

Next time these idiots who claim to be the **‘champions of minority feelings’ **will start crying why even have Islamic speeches/shows/captions or EID/RAMADAN celebration on TV since minorities feel left out, not welcomed and threatened’'.

@chaibiskut

If we establish it was consensual, would that validate this spectacle? No, because the message would still be that we don’t celebrate differences, we seek to eliminate them.

Dude! there are several shows on non-muslims celebrations on TV but you have to criticize muslims show for your own insecurities or perceptions.

@chaibiskut

Defending a fool like Maya Khan, which is essentially what you’re doing, leaves you no credibility.
The onus is not on us to prove that broadcasting religious conversions amount to incitement/unnecessary provocation in a society where minorities are being forcibly converted. Indeed, in a society where Muslims themselves are targeted for non-conformism. This a fact, and much has been written about it. By not addressing this you are being disingenuous. How are you so sure that your Hindu countrymen and women do not find this offensive/worrisome? That they don’t feel pressure to convert or become invisible?

I merely pointed out the delusional behavior of minorities representatives.

@chaibiskut

I think this lawyer in Pakistan sums it eloquently. (Take note of his mention of Justice Rana Bhagwandas, former Chief Justice of Pakistan, now the chairman of the Federal Public Service Commission. An esteemed member of the legal fraternity, he’s far more qualified than any of us to comment on the realities of being a Hindu Pakistani).

"I have nothing against people changing religion from free will in a private affair, yet the message sent to an already beleaguered Hindu community is loud and visible — **we do not like you as you are but will spare you if you cross over to the right path. **There is everything cheap and pathetic about the display. One almost hopes that the mediocre pretentious woman tells us again in broken tones that the boy was a hired actor. She, with this display of **cruel idiocy, **has also upped the ante in the clerical racket in the television business, I fear, if the fake doctor is planning on a live execution of a non-Muslim to compete in the ratings now.

Imagine if you will that in a television programme in the United States, India or any place in the world, a Muslim Abdullah was converted to a Hindu Sunil. That would be as stupid as what Maya Khan did yet imagine our reaction. It would not have been merely silly, it would have a frontal assault, a grand conspiracy, it would have been an attack on Islam itself, jihad would have been the cry. Lahore and Karachi would have burned; Bar Councils would have announced strikes, Hindu and Christian places of worship all over the country would have been set ablaze, a dozen or so killed for good measure. Some cleric with extra cash would have announced a meaty reward for killing the newly converted, the host, their neighbours and their dogs, etc. This apparently is a one-way street, almost like the words of Hotel California, “you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave”. Before embarking on these expeditions of piousness, it is worth reflecting on the golden principle of antiquity, which dictates do unto others what you would have them do to you.

I can imagine the Hindus and other minority communities becoming edgy when someone like the impeccable Justice Rana Bhagwandas says that the Constitution makes non-Muslims “less-preferred citizens”. In fact, I will not be surprised if they do not merely become edgy but are in a state of outright frenzied panic. This comes from a gentleman who rose to become the senior-most judge of the Supreme Court; it is frightening to ponder about the feelings of ordinary non-Muslims. My Lord, Justice Bhagwandas uses very serene language as is his temperament in employing the term “less preferred” as opposed to being outrightly discriminated and often-times hunted. No non-Muslim is allowed to become the president of the country as stipulated by the Constitution or even the prime minister as the oath requires affirming the basic tenets of Islam. So basically the coercive mechanism is already in place for nudging them or perhaps, more accurately shoving them to convert, without Maya Khan making more of a fool out of herself (if that is possible) on national television.

It has been said that personal faith is like some other things, it is very good to have one, quite natural to be proud of it, try not to make a public exhibition of it and whatever you do, don’t shove it down the throats of our children."

The One Party State – The Express Tribune

it is very saddening for Bhagwandas to even have this kind of attitude shown over a TV show which had nothing negative about any minority except what it is portrayed or perceived as in the media… to stop someone praising the personal choice of his/her life.

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Now listen to yourself here again:

“yet imagine our** reaction**. It would not have been merely silly, it would have a frontal assault, a grand conspiracy, it would have been an attack on Islam itself, jihad would have been the cry. Lahore and Karachi would have burned; Bar Councils would have announced strikes, Hindu and Christian places of worship all over the country would have been set ablaze, a dozen or so killed for good measure. Some cleric with extra cash would have announced a meaty reward for killing the newly converted, the host, their neighbours and their dogs, etc.”

First of all you need to quit saying “we” and “our”.

You know why I am saying this so don’t even try…

Second,
You have given possible extremist attitude towards someone changing the religion over TV and are using that argument to support that somehow it is a bad idea to have these kind of shows.

Why even use extremist ideas to get support for your ideas?

Third: Bhagwandas (if he really said these idiotic remarks) should have known better not to incite but have minorities relaxed by merely citing that there is no evidence of forceful conversion so far and freedom of choice goes in both directions.

**Why not promote the freedom of expression and choice of religion? **

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Now for other points you raised:

I already said the idiotic behavior of criticism needs to stop otherwise people will start questioning everything.

Even the basic requirements of being Muslim to be the president or PM of Pakistan is being questioned now?

Which la la land do you belong to my friend?

For your last paragraph:

If conversion is so good then why not in public?

Is this some kind of shameful act?

At least it would show the free will, otherwise someone may claim to have been forced.
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In fact, all conversions should be in public so no question of forced conversion ever arise.**