Hijabi girls/women..

Well said brother. I totally agree to you that hijabis are presenting a religion of Allah (swt). They are not trying to please non-Muslims, but present to them a practical example of a good Muslim, so non Muslims find it easy to understand and follow Islam. I said hijabis should be careful because any misunderstanding about their intentions might lead to a bad impression of Islam infront of non-Muslims.

Once on a flight the meal served to people contained pork. The flight crew knew that Muslims don’t eat pork, so they served non-pork meal to women with hijab and men with beard. Later a Muslim family came to know about it so they protested. The crew apologised to them and told them that they didn’t “look” Muslims so they mistakenly served the pork meal to the family. Yes, what we wear does to some extent indicate our identity to non-Muslims, that is why we need to be careful and not make a mistake that leads to misunderstanding about Islam.

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You are all wrong. Hijabi's are an alien species, neither man nor woman, you should all know that by now.

Please do not categorise them as women, bcos they are obviously different, VERY different.

The same laws governing normal humans do not apply to them.

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So far in this thread some agreed to my points (which as I stated, were based on my experience and interaction with hijabis). For a reminder, my first post was based on questions, which could have been reasonably argued against instead of cannon fires. Some of those who rather strongly disagreed, perhaps they need to realize that snapping back does not win you extra points, and may I recommend reading your own posts before unleashing your constructive personal comments.

Man this thread has turned into personal attacks central :hehe:

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vaisi larkiyan vo nai hoti jo force hoti hain hijab pehnne ke liye??..i really think so!

jo apni marzi se hijab pehnti hai often bohat achi/sweet hoti hain, atleast what i have seen :)

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wining argument don't do any thing dude.

I do stand by my comments that things are a million time more well defined in west.

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hijabans are hypocrite..

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^Are you TRYING to get killed?

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^ Care to elaborate on that YeaBoii?

How am I and other hijabans hypocrites?

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PM dude, it is not about winning an argument. It is about a reasonable argument versus snappy personal attacks. I hate to say this, but I do see some reflection of my observation in some of these posts.

My dear ladies in black, when someone has a question or observation that he dares to share, a reasonable exchange of views is a possibility you might want to consider.

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Jaanwar, does your attitude perhaps bring out this bitter behaviour from hijaabans you meet?

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NO one is a born Hijabi. Allah (swt) has blessed every Muslim with this gift through our beloved prophet (saw), so whoever wishes to fulfill this beautiful act of all our mothers ( wives of the Prophet (saw) they can do it at any time of their life, by the grace and mercy of Allah (swt).

No matter how many bad people have done it and intentionally or unintentionally given it a bad name through their mistakes/sins, the fact remains that wearing hijab has a lot of benefits in this world and hereafter, above all it pleases Allah (swt) and our Prophet (saw).

My mother and sister didn't use to wear it for a long time but sincerely wished to adopt it one day. Allah (swt) bless them with the will to do so, inspite of resistance from relatives. No one is born with the wish of wearing Hijab, most of the Muslim girls when grow up, they wish to wear the clothes of latest fashion wore by models and actresses. So there is no sacrifice in not wearing Hijab. Wearing it brings along tests, difficulties and opposition, but they become easy by the grace and mercy of Allah (swt), when people make Allah (swt) and His prophet (saw) priority over peer pressure.

May Allah (swt) bless all those people with infinite rewards whoever controls their desires of wearing forbidden dresses only to please Allah (swt) and try their level best to follow the dress of the wives of the Prophet (saw) even if initially their nafs is reluctant to follow it.

I was thinking the exact same thing,

very sad indeed!

From my own experience, I seen that people complain about those whom they perceive to be more religious than themselves (or those make an effort to be). The funny thing is that the complaints they make about them are often about faults that the people complaining have themselves. The people who make an effort to try to be more religious are simply easier targets and that's all there is to it.

Otherwise, anyone with a hijab or with a beard (in the case of a man), I see them just like anyone else. Everyone has their qualities and their faults. To me correlating the faults with the hijab or beard or any other religious trait makes as much sense as correlating these faults to the type of car the said person drives, the shoes they wear, the type of job they do or the food they eat etc.

Now I am not saying that those who wear hijab, grow beard, pray, eat strictly halal or make an effort to practice any aspect of deen never do anything wrong or that anything wrong that they do is automatically excused. I am just saying that it doesn't make sense to correlate these characteristics with their faults. Also the fact that the people who are trying to practice something in deen that we are not practicing should not be used as justification of us not practicing it. I'm not implying this is what you're doing, but a lot of times this is what people do according to my own experience.

you got that one right dude :ok:

This thread has taken a serious turn.. :S

No fun no fun!

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^seriously, it was fun talking about bitter hijabies!

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I think its unfair to judge hijabis as a race. Its the same as any grouping... you have your good and bad. Not good and bad in terms of how they adhere to their religious teachings, but how they treat their fellow humans. I'm sure you will find certain hijabis that don't practise the hijab the way that we are told is "right" (showing arms, hairline etc.) but this is a very judgemental way of looking at it. How do we know what is RIGHT. Most rituals that muslims follow are not in the quran, but in the haddis so there is no "right answer" on such matters. We are very quick to judge the hijabis because we assume they are somehow more pious than non-hijabis. Realistically, we aren't in any position to judge one another.

My Khala is a hijabi.. I love her to bits! BUT she has a habbit of preaching and not practicing and I make sure to bring it up every time. She'll stop by younger sister from finding faults in people's dress- sense and within the same minute she'll do it.

I believe you will find as many variations in personality among hijabi population as you will in the non-hijabi counterparts.

I've encountered hijabans who cover their hair for the right reasons and respect others regardless of differing beliefs. I've seen fickle hijabis who cover their hair while wearing sleeveless and who ditch the hijab when away from parents. And I've seen hijabis who cover their hair and pray namaz 5 times a day but ignore fundamental Islamic values such as courtesy.

One day during lunch at school, I sat at a table across from a former colleague whom I shared a good relationship with and one of her friends. Both of these women wear hijab. We were sitting in close proximity, talking. And then all of a sudden, it was though as I wasn't there. The conversation between these two women turned to hijab from out of nowhere. And one of them says to the other that non-hijabans will go to hell for not covering their hair. I was surprised at the behavior of my former friend.....I expected that at least she would have consideration for me. Feeling awkward and hurt I got up and left abruptly without saying a word. The next day I confronted them about their behavior and found that they KNEW why I reacted that way. They apologized and I let the issue go. But I found it interesting that they didn't take the first step to make amends.....that I had to seek THEM out and do it. If I KNOW i've offended someone, I try my best to seek that person out and apologize. I don't think I should wait for the victim to come to me.

Hijab is to cover your hair as protection from non-mehrams. However, I have seen SOME hijabis who are more FORWARD than their non-hijabi counterparts and feel no qualms about sporting a boyfriend. Hijabis are endowed with the SAME **natural desires as non-hijabis. Hijabis face many of the **SAME temptations that non-hijabis face. Covering your hair does NOT make you IMMUNE or RESISTANT to temptation or committing sins. I BELIEVE that hijab (while it's an admirable practice) is NOT **the sole determinant of a woman's character or her fate in the **HEREAFTER. The older that I'm getting, I'm beginning to realize that even praying namaz 5 times a day (which is FARZ) is not a sure-fire ticket to Jannah or even an exemption from Allah's punishment.

^ I'm not justifying the commiting of sins. I believe that it's GREAT to follow religious practices but to make a particular practice or the LACK THEREOF the sole basis of judgement is unreasonable. In a HADITH narrated by Imam Ahmed: **"One person asked the Prophet: 'O Messenger of Allah ! a certain woman is very famous for her prayers, fasting and many charities, but she talks rudely with her neighbors. Tell me, what will be her fate ?' He replied that she would go to Hell. Then that person asked: "O Messenger of Allah! Another woman does not do much by way of prayers and fasting ; gives pieces of cheese in charity and does not harm her neighbors. He replied: 'She is of the Paradise.' "

Often times **WE FORGET **that there are Islamic duties which are **FAR MORE BASIC than namaz or hijab.........such as respect........which we ignore when get so caught up in "judging" and "preaching" to others. There is also a proper way of guiding and inviting others to follow a good practice. And when one can't guide with gentleness....they can incur MORE DAMAGE **such as not only turning off the other person to themselves but POTENTIALLY** turn them off to the guidance as well.

I've seen hijabans whose positive conduct ALONE inspires guidance and motivation in others. And I've seen hijabans whose arrogance, double standards, frequent judgments of other Muslims AND Non-Muslims have cause people to dread being in their company. These habits (positive and negative) are not only confined to hijabis but non-hijabis as well.

Wow. Interesting thread.

I have to say that I think the judgmental-ness that some associate with hijabis isn't really a result of the hijab. I think these individuals were always that way. I'm not certain that it's the hijab that draws forth those qualities so much as it can make those qualities more pronounced. That said, yes...as many posters here have said, you have your good and bad in every population.

I do hijab myself. Lots of my friends do as well. But I don't believe it makes me any better than someone who doesn't and I don't think it somehow makes me understand Islam so much better that I have to beat everyone over the head with my superior knowledge. In fact, my friends and I are pretty staunch defenders of those who choose not to cover. We think it's fard, but we also think that forcing things on people never ends well.

Now what I have seen happen is when people ask a hijabi her opinion on a religious matter, that when they don't get the answer they want to hear, they label her judgmental and uptight. For example, let's say we have a hijabi at a wedding. A mixed wedding. And men and women are dancing with each other or the women have begun dancing in front of the men. And one of the hostesses or relatives of the bride goes up to the hijabi girl and says "Baita, why aren't you dancing. These are our people. There's nothing wrong with it." And the hijabi's reply is something along the lines of "No thank you Auntie. I prefer not to dance. " Now the hijabi girl, not wanting to give offense or cause trouble at the wedding, will want to end the conversation there. But of course, some other person will have overheard the conversation and will chime in. "Baita, there's nothing wrong with this. These are good people. This isn't forbidden. Why can't you just loosen up and have some fun?" To which the hijabi will reply, "Aunty, I'm not comfortable with this. I don't want to judge anybody, but I don't feel right doing this." At this point, the aunties will sometimes be a little embarassed. They will bluster a bit and try to point out that it's all just a bit of fun and nobody's doing anything wrong. I suspect they do this because deep down, they realize that it's not "all just a bit of fun" and that this type of mixed activity isn't right, Islamically. But no one likes to be in the wrong, so what happens is instead of perhaps looking at their own actions, they brand the girl as an uptight, judgmental hijabi. Her crime? Trying to respectfully and discreetly stand up for what she believes in without ruining everybody elses's night. And no, I'm not making this up. I've seen variations of this story happen over and over again at weddings and other social functions.

And as for bitterness...I don't doubt that janwar has seen bitterness among hijabi girls. Alhamdullillah, I haven't noticed this in me (I hope anyway. It's tough to see your own faults) or my hijabi friends. But I have an awesome group of family and friends who support what I do, even if all of them don't wear hijab. Imagine what it it's like for those hijabis who don't have that support system. To constantly have to listen to their relatives and friends say "Baita, why are you wearing that thing. You're such a pretty girl and that makes you look so frumpy" or "Baita, who will want to marry you if you insist on making yourself look so drab" or "Baita, those loose clothes and that hijab...people will think you're fat or bald and you won't get any rishtas" or "No one's going to hire you if you wear that thing on your head." I've heard asinine comments like that since I started wearing it (so have my friends), but fortunately, we can laugh it off, respectfully stand up for what we believe in and move on. But that's because we have awesome parents, friends, husbands, etc. who help us do that. What about the girls who don't? I'd be bitter too if I had to constantly face that without at least one person telling me to forget about it and not let it get to me.

Anyway, that's just my two cents on the matter. Thanks for reading!