Hijabi girls/women..

[Aimee]

Re: Hijabi girls/women..

Jaanwar , Many non hijabi's are control freaks and totally opinionated B's ... so does that mean we can generalize all non hijabi's to be like them?

Majority of the muslims including me unfortunately are muslims by name not even close to being a muslim by action. In order to justify our non compliant behaviour and mind set , we pick on those who still try to follow the religion ...

Why should we compare someone's certain islamic action with another one. Eg: those who wear hijab are following a farz ... their social ettiquette is a different farz .. only Allah has the power to decide whose actions are good enough and whose are not. We should appreciate them for wearing the hijab but criticize them for their bad social ettiquette rather then comparing their two actions and degrading the hijab as well.

I despise those muslim women who wear sleeveless, deep necks ,show cleavage , tight skin hugging revealing clothes .... and I try to let muslim women know that this is nothing to be proud of. Why do I do that? coz I have a fard(farz) responsiblity towards other muslims .. when we see something being done wrongly it becomes our fard to point it out though I try not to impose myself on others.

On the other hand, I am a non hijabi, and I have never disliked the fact that hijabi friends often tell me to consider hijab. They are fulfilling their fard as muslims.by telling me.

Ofcourse its very much the marzi of the feedback reciever how they wish to continue but when they revert back and start criticizing the knowledge giver on certain other aspects of life , that is not fair. at the same time if a hijabi, starts imposing their mindset on others , that too is not a good attitude ...

*Inshort , if a hijabi gives you a lecture on how to behave socially and is her self the epitome of batamiz behaviour or a control freak .. then yes we have the right to question them back and criticize on their own manner .. *

If she is herself not wearing a hijab and forcing this advise on others then you have every right to question her on her advise. But otherwise , No it wouldnt be fair in anyways to point fingers at their hijab for their social mannerism...

[adeeba]

Re: Hijabi girls/women..

CB..:k:

[Ma_Mooli]

Re: Hijabi girls/women..

I dont understand the question that what is the point of thier hijab if they're bad mannered? You could ask the same about any muslims, who calims to be one but doesnt pray/fast/don hijab or backbites, lies etc. i.e what is the point of thier muslimsness? do you get the point?

hijabiz and bearded folks come in all colours and personalities. Not everyone is on the same level of faith/iman, and no hijab or beard automatically makes one a farishta.....but at the end of the day, if they are completeing their wajibats, they still have a chance of redeeming themselves in the eyes of God..... And that is the key difference here.

[Leha]

My sister is a hijabi and she's completely normal! So are my other hijabi friends ..
I actually see more stuck-upness in non-hijabis. The hijabies ive met so far have all been sweethearts! A lot of the non-hijabi fashionistas are bitter and rude.

Oh ya i dont think its right to put a finger on hijabies/non-hijabies .. it kinda varies frm person to person ... all hijabies(or the majority/minority) arent the same .. and its stupid to say that most of them or 70% as u put it .. are like this. Just soo wrong.
It seems like so many on this forum have probs with hijabies ..

[hareem01]

Maybe there are some mind bending Hijab materials out there lol. I kinda agree with Milly, I dont think think you can blame attire for someones personality. I meet a lot of miserable, judgemental and bitter muslims and they don't all wear hijabs. I'm gori and a revert, I wear hijab because I want people to know I am a muslim, unlike aisan girls I can't get away with draping a dupatta round my neck so it's important to me that my belief is recognised.

The only thing I can assume is that hijabis behave very differently in pk, in the UK where I live ( a very large muslim area in Birmingham) hijabis act the same as non hijabis, some are happy, some are sad, some are down right rude, the wearing of a hijab is kinda irrelevent.

Whats interesting to see though is that attitudes towards hijab wearers in pk is similar to attitude towards nikab wearers in the UK.

To be honest though I see no difference in **ing about the women who wear hijabs, to *ing about the women who don't, either way someones ****ing. We should challenge attitudes not dress codes.

Its only the wanna be's among desis who don't like hijab but in general, Pakistanis do respect a modest clothed woman. As for people living in the UK or other Western countries, they have their own reasons, sometimes they are broken heart and sometimes they've been told off by a hijabi.

[dhanya_podena]

Jaanwar

The pot calling the kettle black.

B4 criticising hijaban-nonhijaban mannerism, atleast show that you yourslef have some. You urself have earned the reputation of being one of the most illmannered on the forum.

[Monk]

(with all due respect)

Advantage of living in the west:

1-things are what they are.(No twist and turns---every this is taken for what it is)
2-Every one have access to S almost 24/7.

Now every woman/man had equal desire o...f u know....
If there is a woman who make a clear statement to men "don't look at me as S object----I am saving my best for my family" She should be respected.

Before we twist religion on the base of moderate Hindu like thinking, get this!!!
1400 years ago there was book.. in that book its written.. "SAVE YOUR F-en CHARMS FOR THE PPL WHO HAVE ACCESS TO ... U KNOW....(hubby)"

(off course I added F word)
Book also says "when a man knocks at your door women answer is strongest possible voice"
Making your self less charming to NAMEHRAM.

I mean those codes(THE book) HAVE GIVEN me PAIN and blue balls... I really need some one to tell me THAT CAN BE OVER WRITTEN!!!! I am TOO allowed to have little action.

Unless that happen we should continue respect hibjjabi girls.

I mean hijabi GIRLS are NOT ALLOWED to entertain you and to sit in your lap; every time they see u :)

ISLAM IS NOT for SAWAB/EESAL-SAWAB only!!

[notorious]

You have all kinds of people in every culture, religion, whatever.

I stopped wearing my hijab after reading a book by Asma Barlas. I had my religions reasons for starting to wear it and I have different religion based reasons to stop wearing after a few years. Now it's either nothing or duputta, which I don't consider duputta Islamic at all by the way. Duputta is a cultural thing, not an Islamic thing, though for many Pakistanis duputta is mistakenly Islamic.

[Gaia]

Before i start, Jaanwar I don’t think its right to generalization, unless you have proper stats!

Now i do agree with you, for my experience, has been around the same level. I think there are three types of hijabies:

1. Pro Hijabi Race: In their mind there is no CHOICE in wearing a hijab. Now let me explain choice, i know that hijab is farz, but just because its farz, that does not mean you force it upon your wives and daughters. I believe hijab is a step by step process. Where as a girl grows to be a young Muslim woman, she is taught the right and wrong, and she is told all the pleasures in Islam which will keep her safe in this world, one of them: being modest.

2. HOjabies: Now they are very special. Whatever their background may be: for it was forced upon them, or they put the hijab on their own, they clearly did not understand this will protect them if and only if, they follow the rules!! Hijab is not a cloth to protect your hair from sun rays, or from bad pollution!
   This group includes the one’s Gina talked about, how they take it off every where but in front of adults, and also the ones who might as well wear a mini skirts with the hijab for they cover nothing.

3. The Best Hijabies Ever:wub:: Whatever their background may be, for it was forced or they put it on own their own choice, they understand WHY hijab is farz. Not only that, they take is upon themselves to set an example by action and not words, to make other Muslim girls hijabies.

Now i have been covering since about 3 years ago. And i agree with Janwaar for even i sometimes stay away from other hijabies, because they are so judgemental. I have had Hijabies, stop me while i’m going to class, that there is NO point in me wearing a hijab because my wrist is showing. Or the time that i was caring a michael kors purse, and someone told me that i’m not sending the proper message of Islam. I maybe doing something wrong but the last time checked as soon as she made that comment towards me she is just as bad! But i’d rather not argue with such women, for she might have a bat behind her that she brought from Saudi.

I’m not gonna lie i started out to be a big hojabi, but as you grow with the hijab, it makes you stand straight, and earn respect from every person, without you even trying!

As a hijabi, i do have a goal, which is without me saying one word, i want others girls to want to be hijabies. I want them to understand you can still dress so cute and look aborable, while not a single curve is showing, and every person is respecting you. And you look beautiful for that one and only person. For example, when i enter my classes every semester, i love to be the only hijabi, because when i enter all eyes are on me, (not for the wrong reasons btw) but for the fact that i’m NOT wearing all black, like they see on CNN or FOX, and i don’t have an accent because i’m an American. They are shocked!! And most of the times i get so many questions, which i love to answer.

As for the Pro Hijab Race,I think they are not happy with their lives, because they do not follow Islam in the proper manner. Which leads them to be bitter. When all your gonna do is be judgemental, which is clearly stated in Islam as a NO NO, then ofcourse ALLAH is gonna make their lives miserable. And i have seen most to the Pro Race, are also rude and judgemental to their own family. But most of all even their own husbands.

[hareem01]

You have all kinds of people in every culture, religion, whatever.

I stopped wearing my hijab after reading a book by Asma Barlas. I had my religions reasons for starting to wear it and I have different religion based reasons to stop wearing after a few years. Now it's either nothing or duputta, which I don't consider Islamic at all by the way. Duputta is a cultural thing, not an Islamic thing, though for many Pakistanis duputta is mistakenly Islamic.

This is going a bit off topic but I'm curious to know as why do you think "duppatta" is Non-Islamic but "Scarf" is Islamic? I believe both duppata and scarf can be used for covering up.

[Chipkali]

*Jaanwar , Many non hijabi's are control freaks and totally opinionated B's ... so does that mean we can generalize all non hijabi's to be like them? *

Majority of the muslims including me unfortunately are muslims by name not even close to being a muslim by action. In order to justify our non compliant behaviour and mind set , we pick on those who still try to follow the religion ...

Why should we compare someone's certain islamic action with another one. Eg: those who wear hijab are following a farz ... their social ettiquette is a different farz .. only Allah has the power to decide whose actions are good enough and whose are not. We should appreciate them for wearing the hijab but criticize them for their bad social ettiquette rather then comparing their two actions and degrading the hijab as well.

I despise those muslim women who wear sleeveless, deep necks ,show cleavage , tight skin hugging revealing clothes .... and I try to let muslim women know that this is nothing to be proud of. Why do I do that? coz I have a fard(farz) responsiblity towards other muslims .. when we see something being done wrongly it becomes our fard to point it out though I try not to impose myself on others.

On the other hand, I am a non hijabi, and I have never disliked the fact that hijabi friends often tell me to consider hijab. They are fulfilling their fard as muslims.by telling me.

Ofcourse its very much the marzi of the feedback reciever how they wish to continue but when they revert back and start criticizing the knowledge giver on certain other aspects of life , that is not fair. at the same time if a hijabi, starts imposing their mindset on others , that too is not a good attitude ...

*Inshort , if a hijabi gives you a lecture on how to behave socially and is her self the epitome of batamiz behaviour or a control freak .. then yes we have the right to question them back and criticize on their own manner .. *

If she is herself not wearing a hijab and forcing this advise on others then you have every right to question her on her advise. But otherwise , No it wouldnt be fair in anyways to point fingers at their hijab for their social mannerism...

Exactly, thank you.

Hijabis are also humans.. they, just like non-hijabis are also "trying" to become better Muslims/human beings.. they are far from perfection, just as you are. So if we're talking about people being bitter/arrogant/bi*chy/judgemental etc.. its because of the kind of people they are from inside and has absolutely nothing to do with the hijab their wearing on their heads.. I've met a LOT of hijabis like the ones your describing Jaanwar, but I've also met a LOT of non-hijabis that are pretty much the same.. and both groups deserve to be judged equally because both are not perfect and both are human. Putting a hijaab on your head doesn't automatically mean that you will not sin.

[hareem01]

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^Very well said CB.

[zena_uk]

Its only the wanna be's among desis who don't like hijab but in general, Pakistanis do respect a modest clothed woman. As for people living in the UK or other Western countries, they have their own reasons, sometimes they are broken heart and sometimes they've been told off by a hijabi.

Sorry but I don't get what you mean lol. Is this thread only about the attitude of hijab wearers in pk, if so ignore my comments as I only have experience of hijabis/non hijabis in the UK.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

Re: Hijabi girls/women..

many women are bitter.....hijabi or not!

why bring hijab in this anyway? when we clearly have non hijabi's that think they are holier then thou as well.

[notorious]

This is going a bit off topic but I'm curious to know as why do you think "duppatta" is Non-Islamic but "Scarf" is Islamic? I believe both duppata and scarf can be used for covering up.

Duputta is see through, I don't see the point of wearing a duputta for Islamic reasons if people can see your hair through the duputta. A scarf can be like that too. It depends on the fabric. A chador isn't see through, so better than a duputta, but it also depends on how you wear it.

That's why I think, if someone wants to wear a duputta for Islamic reasons, then it isn't enough. For cultural reasons, it's different.

I have my doubts right now about wearing hijab, but that's just my own personal opinion and if someone wants to wear a hijab, I'm fine with it. :)

[AnGeL_EyEs]

Duputta is see through, I don't see the point of wearing a duputta for Islamic reasons if people can see your hair through the duputta. A scarf can be like that too. It depends on the fabric. A chador isn't see through, so better than a duputta, but it also depends on how you wear it.

That's why I think, if someone wants to wear a duputta for Islamic reasons, then it isn't enough. For cultural reasons, it's different.

I have my doubts right now about wearing hijab, but that's just my own personal opinion and if someone wants to wear a hijab, I'm fine with it. :)

not all dupattas are see through....depends on the fabric. some can be worn as a scarf too. I have a friend who cuts her dupatta down the middle (width-wise) and wears it as a shayla style scarf. Most dupattas are huge and gather too much in the front which is why she cuts it.

Also...you can always wear an underscarf...altho most pakistani's dont wear it like that.

anyway sorry but this totally off topic.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

@Chicken_Biryani

Jaanwar , Many non hijabi’s are control freaks and totally opinionated B’s … so does that mean we can generalize all non hijabi’s to be like them?

Majority of the muslims including me unfortunately are muslims by name not even close to being a muslim by action. In order to justify our non compliant behaviour and mind set , we pick on those who still try to follow the religion …

Why should we compare someone’s certain islamic action with another one. Eg: those who wear hijab are following a farz … their social ettiquette is a different farz .. only Allah has the power to decide whose actions are good enough and whose are not. We should appreciate them for wearing the hijab but criticize them for their bad social ettiquette rather then comparing their two actions and degrading the hijab as well.

I despise those muslim women who wear sleeveless, deep necks ,show cleavage , tight skin hugging revealing clothes … and I try to let muslim women know that this is nothing to be proud of. Why do I do that? coz I have a fard(farz) responsiblity towards other muslims .. when we see something being done wrongly it becomes our fard to point it out though I try not to impose myself on others.

On the other hand, I am a non hijabi, and I have never disliked the fact that hijabi friends often tell me to consider hijab. They are fulfilling their fard as muslims.by telling me.

Ofcourse its very much the marzi of the feedback reciever how they wish to continue but when they revert back and start criticizing the knowledge giver on certain other aspects of life , that is not fair. at the same time if a hijabi, starts imposing their mindset on others , that too is not a good attitude …

**Inshort , if a hijabi gives you a lecture on how to behave socially and is her self the epitome of batamiz behaviour or a control freak .. then yes we have the right to question them back and criticize on their own manner .. **

If she is herself not wearing a hijab and forcing this advise on others then you have every right to question her on her advise. But otherwise , No it wouldnt be fair in anyways to point fingers at their hijab for their social mannerism…

:k: well said

[Gaia]

This is going a bit off topic but I'm curious to know as why do you think "duppatta" is Non-Islamic but "Scarf" is Islamic? I believe both duppata and scarf can be used for covering up.

^Agreed!!As far as i know Islam tells women to cover their bodies not only hair! Therefore, anything that covers you in the proper manner, being that its is not see through, tight, and whatever else, is fine. Most women in Pakiland who cover their head do it with a dupatta, and you cannot say that only if they wear a scarf they are following proper rules! IT IS JUST AS MUCH Islamic as a scarf.

[Tayyebeh]

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Well I believe she might refer to the fact that many Desi women drape the dupatta around and hair is visible on the front and sometimes even on the back(!), meaning basically every ghair mahram can see her hair and doesn't even have to imagine what she looks like without.

[Gaia]

Re: Hijabi girls/women..

^Yes but they are in their own group!!Hojabis!!