SubhaanAllah, don't compare Prophet(SAW) with other people e.g us !!
You're munkir-e-ahadith and if an obligation proven in Quran and that you don't do it, you just bring illogical and pointless arguments. You have to follow all the fard oblications, one doesn't have the prioroity over the other. An obligation is simply an obligation and must be followed.
one thing i don't understand is, what are you tring to prove, i mean "hello..." why do you go this far just to defend yourself because you don't fulfill islamic obligations. Why can't just accept the truth? We're not the ones who have to answer for what you do. We don't care, but it would be nice if muslim sister becomes true muslima'h. Stop defending yourself. There's no excuse that would work in front of Allah Ta'ala.
Chill out. You have not been nominated from the prophet to declare what is Islamic and what is not. It is not your property. You do not know what will work in front of Allah yourself. How can you declare it in the post.
sorry MKF
we muslim have been nominated by Prophet PBUH to spread islam as no new prophet will come
and to declare what is islamic or not , very simple criteria , if you found it reference in Quran o Hadees it is Islamic other wise not , its not a rocket science that muslim can't declare what is Islamic or not
i think you should better read the Quran
let see and learn the ayat in full context
In sorah Noor
lets start with ayat number 27
024.027YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! enter not houses other than your own, until ye have asked permission and saluted those in them: that is best for you, in order that ye may heed (what is seemly).
firstly Allah had stopped the people entering the houses of other muslim
and then to thoes who have been given permission to enter
Allah Ordered 024.030YUSUFALI: Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.
and for the women Allah ordered
024.031YUSUFALI: And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty;
that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.
from these 3 ayat you can clearly understand that this is the hijab with in the house, that is hijab is necessary as well with in house by covering them self , within house they can show their face and hands
now lets see hijab outside house
in Quran soorah Ahzab 033.059YUSUFALI: O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
you can clearly see that when outside house their is another obligation of covering the face, still hijab is necessary within house
except that with in house they can show their faces but still they are order to lower their gaze and the same orders for the men in houses
Now my question to you sis
do you know what is hijab
if you don't lets me remind you Six criteria for Hijaab.
According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:
1. Extent:
The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women
The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.
The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them
4 .The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.
The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.
**7. Hijaab *includes conduct and behaviour among other things*
Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ *of the eyes, ‘*hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.
so what you say that womens are not allowed to wear hijab with in house in front of fathers, brothers etc is wrong
where has this been spelled out that Muslims are authorized to declare others non muslim or anything islamic or non islamic. Every one has to decide himself and wait for judgement day to be proven right or wrong.
What are telling me via Quranic verses is not new. Many of these teachings already exist in Hinduism, Budhhism or Christianity. People don't adhere to these that's a different issue.
So far you're imposing the hijab because of a few occurances you can pluck out. XYZ did this. ABC did this. Nowhere can you provide that it's an ISLAMIC duty to do anything but dress modestly. Wearing a hijab, a burka, a veil or whatever else you want is a personal interpretation of modesty. It is not in your hands to determine if I am a muslim or not. Follow your interpretation in peace, and leave the rest of us alone.
You are no more a muslim than me for believing a veil is the only form of modesty. Infact, your lecture paints a daunting image of an ignorant and arrogant imposition of beliefs. Your perverted version of islam, albeit common is merely an interpretation.
If your only basis of justifying the hijab is common practice a thousand years ago, i'd suggest you build your houses out of mud and hay also. We are asked to mimick the prophet's community in what they believed, not what they wore. If you're so intent on living like the prophet's people, I point the finger at you and demand you make peace and marry your Jewish and Christian neighbours. You cite the prophet as a spiritual role model, yet you insist on only following physical traits. The burka or veil are not religious, nor is a keffiyah, turban or thobe. It's cultural, and you're not arab. Your insecurities and misunderstandings are leading you down a long road of shameless taunts. The next time you go on a rant, save it for your arab friends.
If a woman believes in becoming that "diamond" you so eloquently symbolize, it implies she has become the property of someone. A woman wearing a veil, is only a diamond when she lets a man lock her up in a vault. Your key to self hood, as a muslim woman, is not in the hand of a man. While it may sound romantic to equate a veiled woman to a diamond, something so precious is not appreciated when only a man can acknowledge it. Your definition of precious revolves around a male instinct to own and conquer. You conquer a woman, and then in your insecurities and distrust of your woman you cover and lock her away.
A woman, as is a man - are asked to dress modestly. There are provisions that tell a woman to cover her bosom. But nowhere are there rules that say modesty = a burka or niqab. The veil is cultural, and forever long you misinterpret an ancient cultural occurance to be a religious necessity - you'll be ostracized by your own muslim brothers and sisters.
You are no more a muslim than me for believing a veil is the only form of modesty. Infact, your lecture paints a daunting image of an ignorant and arrogant imposition of beliefs. Your perverted version of islam, albeit common is merely an interpretation.
If your only basis of justifying the hijab is common practice a thousand years ago, i'd suggest you build your houses out of mud and hay also. We are asked to mimick the prophet's community in what they believed, not what they wore. If you're so intent on living like the prophet's people, I point the finger at you and demand you make peace and marry your Jewish and Christian neighbours. You cite the prophet as a spiritual role model, yet you insist on only following physical traits. The burka or veil are not religious, nor is a keffiyah, turban or thobe. It's cultural, and you're not arab. Your insecurities and misunderstandings are leading you down a long road of shameless taunts. The next time you go on a rant, save it for your arab friends.
If a woman believes in becoming that "diamond" you so eloquently symbolize, it implies she has become the property of someone. A woman wearing a veil, is only a diamond when she lets a man lock her up in a vault. Your key to self hood, as a muslim woman, is not in the hand of a man. While it may sound romantic to equate a veiled woman to a diamond, something so precious is not appreciated when only a man can acknowledge it. Your definition of precious revolves around a male instinct to own and conquer. You conquer a woman, and then in your insecurities and distrust of your woman you cover and lock her away.
A woman, as is a man - are asked to dress modestly. There are provisions that tell a woman to cover her bosom. But nowhere are there rules that say you were a veil. The veil is cultural, and forever long you misinterpret an ancient cultural occurance to be a religious necessity - you'll be ostracized by your own muslim brothers and sisters.
A very good response, pur kisko address kiya hai madam ??
"they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex"
ya! that's wht i m talkin abt...i guess u didnt get what i said or u didnt read the thing b4 posting!
I meant that it is ok if she doesnt wear the whole hijab or duppatta(to cover her head) in front of her mahram(s)!
read out the sorah Asar 103.001YUSUFALI: By (the Token of) Time (through the ages), 103.002YUSUFALI: Verily Man is in loss, 103.003YUSUFALI: Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth ( Tableegh), and of Patience and Constancy.
According to Quran if we not say true, ie say Kafir to Kafir and and if we didn't tableegh, dawa , then we surely be in loss
declaring what is islamic and not islamic is not rocket science , any thing from Quran o Hadees is Islamic and if that is not in Quran o Hadees that is not Islamic , so simple
sis again you are wrong
their is difference between Hijab and nikab
in sorah Ahzab ayat number 59 what is refered is about nikab
that is when women should go out side they should cover their face as well with the hijab
where as in Soorah Noor ayat number 31 is about Hijab
that is they have to cover them self including head , only they can show face , hand in front of her mahram (s).
even within house they have to fullfil all the 7 criterias , this is for both men and women
do not try to fetch answers by twisting ayats. where has it been said that we should say a person who says himself to be a muslim as a kafir. It is about patience and constancy.
You are no more a muslim than me for believing a veil is the only form of modesty. Infact, your lecture paints a daunting image of an ignorant and arrogant imposition of beliefs. Your perverted version of islam, albeit common is merely an interpretation.
If your only basis of justifying the hijab is common practice a thousand years ago, i'd suggest you build your houses out of mud and hay also. We are asked to mimick the prophet's community in what they believed, not what they wore. If you're so intent on living like the prophet's people, I point the finger at you and demand you make peace and marry your Jewish and Christian neighbours. You cite the prophet as a spiritual role model, yet you insist on only following physical traits. The burka or veil are not religious, nor is a keffiyah, turban or thobe. It's cultural, and you're not arab. Your insecurities and misunderstandings are leading you down a long road of shameless taunts. The next time you go on a rant, save it for your arab friends.
If a woman believes in becoming that "diamond" you so eloquently symbolize, it implies she has become the property of someone. A woman wearing a veil, is only a diamond when she lets a man lock her up in a vault. Your key to self hood, as a muslim woman, is not in the hand of a man. While it may sound romantic to equate a veiled woman to a diamond, something so precious is not appreciated when only a man can acknowledge it. Your definition of precious revolves around a male instinct to own and conquer. You conquer a woman, and then in your insecurities and distrust of your woman you cover and lock her away.
A woman, as is a man - are asked to dress modestly. There are provisions that tell a woman to cover her bosom. But nowhere are there rules that say modesty = a burka or niqab. The veil is cultural, and forever long you misinterpret an ancient cultural occurance to be a religious necessity - you'll be ostracized by your own muslim brothers and sisters.
I need to blow this up, make copies, and post it everywhere in the world.
Mera dil saaf hai. To phir main kyun hijab painoon?
I've heard about too many girls who use the hijab to show society that they are following islam, when in fcat they use it as an excuse to do unislamic things.
Bismillahir Rehmanir Raheem
Assalam O Alaikum all
Sweet deep you seem very sweet. Cause you said how you feel. That shows aap dil ki soch bohat saaf hain is liaay aap nain apni sachchai biyan kar di.
Parda dil say hota hai. Bilkul sahi kaha aap nain parda dil say hota hai. Jub aap apnay dil say koi kaam karain to wohi kaam paaydaar aur behtareen hota hai.
Agar dil na saaf ho to aap ka dil hijaab kay peechay chup kar saaf naheen ho sakta. Bohat hi baja farmaya aap nain. bilkul isi tarha hona chahyay kay dil bilkul saaf ho to parday ka faida hai aur dil hi saaf na ho to parday kay peechay chupnay ka kia faida.
Aap ki is baat say mujhay ittefaq naheen hai is liay kay aap nain is ko samjha sahi naheen hai aur agar samjh lain to bohat achcha hai. wo yay kay mera dil saaf hai to main kioon hijaab pahnoon???
is main aap ka adhay sentence pay to qurban honay ka dil karta hai.
Bilkul aap ka dil bohat saaf hai jubhi to aap nain saaf saaf likh dia hai. Laikin baqi adhay sentence main thor'i si shayad aap ko na samjhi hai ya pata naheen hain so mujhy is baat pay bhi aap pay pyar aa raha hai.
My dear sister. Agar aap bura na manain to main aap ko dusra zawia dikhana pasand karoon gi. Wo yay kay aap ka dil saaf hai na laikin jin mardon ki nazar aap pay par'ti hai unka dil to saaf naheen hai na is liaay parda karna chahyay.
Mujhay yaqeen hai aap jaisi pyari shakhshiaat agar parda karay to wo Hijaab aur parday ka pura tahaffuz karay gi.
*Parda apnay dil ki safai ki wajah say na karna ghalat hai. Quran main kaheen naheen kaha gia kay aap ka dil saaf hai to aap ko parday ki zaroorat nahee. *
*Quran main parda karnay kaha gia hai lar'kion aur aurton ko jin main koi bahaya aur ba hijaab bhi hongi aur kuch bayhaya aur bayhijaab per parda sub ko karna hai. *
Khud ko aap un say kioon mawazna karti hain jo ya to bayhaya ya bayhijaab hain.
*Aap bahia to hain hi bahijaab kioon naheen bun jateen. *
*Parda zaroor karna chahyay. Aap ko bhi parda karna zaroori hai. Aap kay dil saaf honay say parda naheen aa jata aap main aur ghair mahram main. *
Sirf un parday walion kay barain main na sochain jo unIslami kaam karti hain. Bayshumaar aisi baparda khuwaateen hain jo behtareen misaal hain sub musalmanon kay liaay.
Allah hum sub ko parda karnay aur uski hurmat ko bachanay ki taufeeq ata farmaay Ameen.
I think this issue is way over-blown and way too much time is spent specially by men on this and probably other women(jealousy, insecurity who knows ...).
I agree with hskhan on this one however there is one question I would like to ask the ladies here:
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that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.
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According to the verse women are not supposed to show their beauty. Question I would like to ask is : Why isnt hair part of this? Dont you consider hair as part of your 'beautification process' (for a lack of better term)?
Isnt it true that thousands of dollars are spent just on maintaining hair, coloring them, styling them and what not. Then why exclude hair?
The reason I ask this because most muslim women I know dont wear it often giving long-winded explanations to justify themselves (when what they really want to say is that it dosent look good).
Although I've removed a number of posts, I believe it's best if I lock this thread. Some members here love to get personal and seem very short tempered.
The issue has been beaten to death numerous times in the past anyway.