Pathania, may be my logic is incorrect but this is my understanding of the situation.
Allah has forbidden both sexes from something they love to do. Men have been forbidden to stare and enjoy from the beauty of a girl which i admit we all men do. Women have been forbidden from wanton display of their beauty, which a lot of girls like to do. As both sexex are different so are the orders, unlike in the western world which believes that equality means equal treatment. Islam says not equal but justified treatment. Hope you understood.
I once watched an interaction between a CNN news reporter and few girls in Lebanon talking about Pardah (naqab, hijab, burqah...). One of them gave an argument that only her husband has the right to see her face not even her brothers..( I assume she would probably exclude her father, chacha, mama etc. if this logic is to be extended.).
those sisters lack the teaching of Islam. There's no hajib from those people whom a muslima'h can't marry, means it's haram for her to marry them. But she needs to cover her awar'h parts. In the case of husband, this is special case, he's allowed to see everything!!
already answered
who said it's haram but it must be within the boundries of Islam!
what pisses me off is when all these girls who DO NOT wear a hijab try to justify their act and come out with stuff like as long as we dress modestly we dont need to wear a hijab or * pardah dill say hota hay* thats the ultimate crap. bhai agar dill say pardah kar liya hay tu sar par bhi kar lu!
dont try to make 'wrong' seem 'right' with you twisted arguments.
^AGREED:)
Ager niyat hi islam mein important hai toh phir Allah Tallah nae hijab pehnanay ko farz kyun kiya hai!!
Why such a restriction is not applicable for men ? A women inspite of covered face can still make glances at men? Why don't men start wearing burqah and give an explanation that only wives have the right to see the faces of their hubbies ?
Now please don't tell me that falling in love is a sin in Islam.
I have read in so many books and also heard that women are not suppose to cover their face and hands....but the rest of the body!
The thing that the gurl was saying that only my husband can see me is absolutely wrong!
Did u ever hear that Prophet Muhammad's(PBUH) never saw his daughters?
A woman is allowed not to wear hijab or something like that infront of her father, brother, husband, son, and nephews!
I would say that the gurl better read QURAN and if she doesnt understand that then she she better talk to some AALAM!
Ask yourself whether the first women in Islam took the veil first before they learned to pray and do other Islamic acts, or did they take the veil first and then learn all else?
At that time Islam was not complete and all orders came down 1 by 1, but not since Islam is complete we have to follow all the orders at the same time. By your logic you can say, we dont even have to pray until our Imam becomes firm, because for 13 years there was no Salat, and fasting started even after. Haj became farz even after that. So if someone become a Muslim, he should no pray for 13 years, and so on.
fardz is fardz.......and you will be accounted for all thats obligatory upon u....doesnt matter what order you do it in...just do it ASAP!
In my opinion....hijab is the hardest thing to do because it has to do with your outer appearance...it changes the way they look AND everyone will see it. Everything else is easy. This is why a lot of girls find it difficult to fulfill this obligation. Point is.....if u think u can do it....dont procrastinate...cuz if u can do the hardest thing....the rest will be a breeze. InshAllah
You've missed my point. I say that the fact that early muslims learned other items of worship before the veil shows that the veil is not the #1 issue a muslim female SHOULD be tending to. Other things come first before the veil is worn. You can't chastise people generally for not wearing a veil when its quite obvious that most women have Islamic issues that are way more serious than not wearing veils. Its not practical. If the veil is the first thing a woman who is not following Islam well should consider above all else, then the first thing the Prophet would have told Khadija (R) to do was to cover herself.
That was simply not done.
So don't tell people that they're not muslim if they're not wearing the veil. Tell people they're not muslim if they're not attending to the basic 5 pillars. Everything else comes later.
And lets take into account that there is a raging debate over whether hijab as we take it now (head scarf or abaya even) is mandatory or not.
The one who points fingers at someone and questions their level of "muslim-ness" himself ends up becoming a kaafir. I'd be very careful before I start telling people they're not muslim when they think they are.
We have already answered you that at that time laws of Hijab were not revealved, which is not the case now, so you have to follow Islam completely. Its something that is farz and not something small. Also what makes you think that Hazrat Khadija r.a. didnt cover before she accepted Islam? Infact she chose Prophet s.a.w to do business for her so she would have to go outside herself.
FALSE! She hired the Prophet to do a job, just like any employer would hire someone to do a job they don't want to do. You ignore the fact that she owned and ran the business, whereas the Prophet did not. What a silly argument. She wasn't covering from anyone. That is like saying any boss in today's society is hiring people to do work in their company because they want to sit in an office and not be seen by the public, because they're doing hijab from the public.
Lol you didnt get my point, the fact that she would not go outside. And even she didnt meet Prophet s.a.w face to face but through her slave she would communicate to Prophet s.a.w. Even when she proposed to Prophet s.a.w, it was through someone and not like women of our time, she didnt go outside un-covered. If you dont want to cover thats fine, but dont attack the character of Ummul Mumineen.
Your are quite right in what you say. That makes me believe that many of the dictats being forced onto common people are the handiwork of people who apparently have hijacked Islam.
** But why such a restriction is not applicable to men ??
Your are quite right in what you say. That makes me believe that many of the dictats being forced onto common people are the handiwork of people who apparently have hijacked Islam.
But why such a restriction is not applicable to men ??
Pathania i told you before as well, men are restricted from staring.
khanbabax - I have heard that from various mullah types. I have yet to see any historical fact to support that she really didn't show herself to the outside world. If you are holding a job and running a business, you will end up interacting with people. Is it halaal then for her to communicate to her male slaves? What was it about her male slave that made it ok for her to communicate with him, but not the Rasul (SAW)?
Women talked to the Rasul (SAW) DIRECTLY. They weren't married to him. This is rampant in many hadith's that report incidents where women would talk to the Prophet. How can you possibly expect anyone to buy into your arguments?
If you're talking about Hazrat Khadija, at that time there was no such thing hijab!!!
SubhaanAllah, don't compare Prophet(SAW) with other people e.g us !!
You're munkir-e-ahadith and if an obligation proven in Quran and that you don't do it, you just bring illogical and pointless arguments. You have to follow all the fard oblications, one doesn't have the prioroity over the other. An obligation is simply an obligation and must be followed.
one thing i don't understand is, what are you tring to prove, i mean "hello..." why do you go this far just to defend yourself because you don't fulfill islamic obligations. Why can't just accept the truth? We're not the ones who have to answer for what you do. We don't care, but it would be nice if muslim sister becomes true muslima'h. Stop defending yourself. There's no excuse that would work in front of Allah Ta'ala.