Hi Islam, Sabbath is on Saturday, not Friday

Hi Islam

Believe on Ten Commandments.

Sabbath is on Saturday, not on Friday.

Christians call it Good Friday. So do you want it on Friday.

Stop this Hajj to Al Mecca and Al Madina. Instead start praying towards Jerusalem.

Just as a point of clarification, now that the subject has come up

**62: 9/10. **O ye who believe ! When the call is made for Prayer on Friday, hasten to the remembrance of Allah, and leave off all business. That is best for you, if you only knew.

**62: 10/11. **And when the Prayer is finished, then disperse in the land and seek of Allah’s grace, and remember Allah much that you may prosper.

Commentary: Unlike the Jewish or Christian Sabbath, the Muslims Sabbath is not a day of rest. Before the Friday prayer and after it, Muslims may as usual pursue their daily avocations. The words ‘of Allah’s grace’ have generally been understood to mean ‘doing business and earning one’s livelihood’. Source]
You can say that there is no day off for Muslims, it’s just work, work & more work! :slight_smile:

Ahmadjee Bhaijan, why should one compare the Jewish or the Christian Sabbath with Islamic one? But Sabbath means Rest, so Juma is not a Sabbath then. It's an extra-prayer day, like the other 5 days.

Mat, Is Hindu Sabbath on Monday (Som War?)

NYA Bhaijaan, the comparison is actually based on the preceding verses, which talk about the Jews and how they have forgotten their commandments & their covenants with Allah and have reject His Messenger.

The same Surrah, in the beginning, also talks about how true religion makes the believers into spiritual beings, even though they were petty barbaric before. And those who were the chosen people, and knew about the prophecies rejected His signs and are now like the ass with loads of book on their back.

It is interesting to note that the same surah is quoted as the prophecy of the Messiah in the later days and serves as the warning to Muslims that don't be like the Jews, who reject the prophets of God, or else will have the same fate.

and to add to the confusion yaum in arabic doesn't necessarily mean "day".. it could mean "time" and 'jumaa - means "gathering"' and not necessarily the day named Juma in the week.

OK Ahmadji Bhajian, but I found it distasteful. I think, that's where the problem starts when Jews are said to be 'bad' in our scriptures. It leaves us no right to complain when others equate Islam as an intolerant religion.

PA. Yum in Hebrew means day, as in Kippur.

Bhai jaan, none of the historical facts can be changed, those who rejected the signs and then persecuted the messengers did it out of hatred & their own arrogance.

Quran mentions the Jews, not Judaism & their is a distinction. And to say that Jews are condemned and thus it's distasteful, fail to take into account that Moses was a Jew and so was Jesus, along with all the other prophets from the Abrahamic progeny mentioned with utmost respect & love in the Quran. So, it's a matter of perceptions ... and in my opinion Quran above all praises the "chosen people" and reminds them of their status & their fore fathers & mentions far more of their sacrifice & good deeds than the evil ones.

And those who take such verses out of context and exploit them to profess hatred would have done it, even if the verses were not there. I don't remember any Hindu being mentioned in the Qur'an but they are hated with the same zeal if not more.

This jab is looking more and more like Tom Sayer :) slowly but surely revealing more and more knowledge.. and finally becoming our good hamsaya :)

Prophet Moses (RA) was given the commandments (shariat) #4: "Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it". Prophet Jesus (RA) didn't bring any new shariat; he reinforced the shariat of earlier prophets. Prophet Muhammad (Blessings be Upon Him) brought a new shariat which cancelled the earlier ones. There is no sabbath in Islam. No working six days and resting on the seventh. In my view, for the muslim maulvis to insist that Friday should be made a holiday is actually against Islam.

:konfused:

PA yaar u will always remain confused as long as u try to extract silly meanings with that limitec knowledge of yours, and as long as u keep the hadith away....

and jab, u can now come to friday too, we promise u a good time praying....

P.S. no muslim prays facing towards medina....

^^ :hehe:

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
P.S. no muslim prays facing towards medina....
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Of course they do. If they are able to distinguish the slight difference in location between Mecca and Medina from thousands of miles away, they have internal radars more sophisticated than the most advanced DOD equipment.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Of course they do. If they are able to distinguish the slight difference in location between Mecca and Medina from thousands of miles away, they have internal radars more sophisticated than the most advanced DOD equipment.
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Another lame attempt.

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
Another lame attempt.
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at what? pointing out inaccuracies? please enlighten me as to how someone sitting in their comfy western home can face mecca w/o facing medina.

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
PA yaar u will always remain confused as long as u try to extract silly meanings with that limitec knowledge of yours, and as long as u keep the hadith away....

and jab, u can now come to friday too, we promise u a good time praying....

P.S. no muslim prays facing towards medina....
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armughal there's no point arguing with you as you'd just disappear when your pov falls flat on your face.. nevertheless learn some qur'anic arabic.. living under the sheikhs dunda doesn't suffice.... and using hadiths actually takes you further away from the real meanings of the Message.. the blatant and persistent attempts at establishing a certain rigid meaning of Qur'anic verses by hadiths raises a red flag.

now go pray 'Jumma' .. what if the Arabs named their days something else.. ??

^ sorry but that's failed logic. First of all there are no more advanced guidance or precision radar systems in the world outside of the DOD, in spite of the tiny percentage of stray bombs you mention. You show your inability to discern the truth through your biases by comparing the most sophisticated machinery in the history of mankind to head lice. And I guess you would see it as a pain for someone to address inaccuracies, questionable practices and hypocritical positions since you seem to rely on ancient texts and other peoples’ interpretations of those texts to make any kind of point.

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
PA yaar u will always remain confused as long as u try to extract silly meanings with that limitec knowledge of yours, and as long as u keep the hadith away....

and jab, u can now come to friday too, we promise u a good time praying....

P.S. no muslim prays facing towards medina....
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do you mean to say if you pray in wrong direction god does not accept
also if non-arabic is used god cant understand?

In reply to all other messages.

1) You guys coolly ignored the first message line of this message chain.

BELIEVE ON TEN COMMANDMENTS. OK Here is the full message.

SUBMIT ISLAM TO TEN COMMANDMENTS - OBSERVE SABBATH. Submitting to God is the first principle. It will be difficult for Islam to trample on Ten Commandments.

Before God - there is no Torah, no Quran. GOD’S TEN COMMANDMENTS ALONE REMAINS.

O Islam, Do you want to suspect the authenticity of the tablets of stone. Do you want to throw the remaining physical evidence and wait for another prophet like - Moses or Jesus? Muhammad is not that good as Moses or Jesus.

SUBMITTING TO GOD IS UPTO YOU, Islam.

2) If, by chance, you try to observe Sabbath on Friday, then transfer it to Saturday. If Jews / Moses observed Sabbath on Saturday, M ( Muslims / Monotheists ) also should on Saturday.

Jews are monotheists, by the way.

2) The Friday prayer is an addition to Ten Commandments. If God wanted it this way, he would have told Moses to offer special prayers on Friday. He did not say to Moses. So Friday prayer does not matter. It does not add anything new.

J ( Jews ) and C ( Christians ) cannot understand Muhammad’s desire or understanding of need for special prayer on Friday.

3) The Stones represent physical evidence of God’s covenant. If you insist - Quran’s Sura 7 is the answer.

The people who are in contact with this physical evidence and are protecting them will not accept Quran.

4) Question is - Is Quran better than ten commandments. If the command from God directed mankind to observe Sabbath, then Monotheists should follow the command.

Jews are Monotheists. Christians believe on Jesus also.

A Monotheist cannot break Ten Commandments.

For Christians, God gave his convenant and allowed it to be broken by His Son Jesus as well as condensed to new command. Jesus was hated by Jew because he healed people on the Sabbath day. Jesus cites David as an example. It is possible for Jesus. No, certainly Not for Muhammad.

5) MU ( Muhammad ) is not in any exalted status as JES ( Jesus ). MU is only one among the thankful. MU did not ascend to Heaven. He lived and died like anyother member of mankind. So MU cannot proclaim the breaking of covenant of God - The ten commandments and the Ark.

Hajj and prayer towards Mecca.

Muhammad wanted to reduce the importance of Jerusalem and steal the show from Muslim. But he knew he cannot control the people immediately. So he decided to slowly wean them. First, he let them pray towards Jerusalem, say for 6 months. Then he asked them to turn and pray towards Mecca. During this cushion period, he increased his grip on the people. ( He may have asked them - “whether they noticed any difference between praying towards Jerusalem and Mecca” ).

8) Jerusalem is a place of importance to Jews because, the God’s words and the Ark was there. The house of their God was also there. It was not so for Muslims. Muslims have no share on Jewish inheritance.

9) Please check whether your prayer hours resemble the crucifiction hours of Jesus. Even Christians think of Crucifiction of Jesus only once in a year. Muslims do it every week. You seem to be observing the crucifiction of Jesus more than Christians do.