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Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters
It is funny to see a thread like this. It really does reveal a failure to understand the mindset of Hezbollah, their supporters in Lebanon, and their moral supporters online.
Islamists view deaths in battle as better than long lives. 2 examples really demonstrate this.
The first is that if Khalid Ibn Al-Walid (ra) . Once a pagan cavalry commander who led a charge that defeated a Muslim army, he converted to Islam and became the most prominent Muslim General of the early Islamic era, leading many armies during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). He was almost completely undefeated in battle, and died of old age. He was reported to be extremely unhappy at the time of his death - because he was so successful that he never had the opportunity to die in battle and be a martyr.
The second case is really Shia-specific and most relvant to Hezbollah. At the battle of Karbala, 40 Shia men were surrounded by thousands of Sunni soldiers who demanded their surrender. With no hope of winning the Shias charged the Sunni force, and all of the Shias were killed as you may expect. Those men are heroes to Shias right through to today, and the concept of Martyrdom in the face of perceived injustice is if anything even more valued by Shias than by Sunnis.
Every Hezbollah fighter who died would be grateful to have died in that way, regardless of whether they win the war, battle, or even skirmish. Their supporters and sympathisers would similarly hold the view that it is better to love death in a righteous cause than to live long; that the fact that these men died is sign that God loved them so much he let them die in a way that will keep them closest to Him forever.
I rememeber reading a book by an American journalist who went undercover into Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. She came across a group of Mujahideen who had just been beaten back by the Red Army, and suffered huge numbers of casualties at the hands of the Red Army. To her surprise, they were extremely happy for the dead, rather than mourning them. They genuinely believed the greater victory was to die in battle; having won the battle would be nothing more than icing on the cake.
These Hezbollah men died in exactly the way they would themselves have wished to die. They would have been the first to say that Israel did them a favour.
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While you may think it’s funny, I think it’s sad. How disapointed they must be to find there aren’t 72 virgins waiting for them. 
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Yes, they will get an infinite number of virgins instead! 
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Oh sure there will be virgins. here is their picture too!!
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Hmm, so God is a pagan christian? I wondered what was your source of hatred of Islam and muslim...I got my answer...
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That’s an easy focus point for people with backgrounds in western cultures. Even for those who believe in the 72 virgins, and believe in them as being sexual partners, the 72 are just a sideshow. The main attraction for someone to be a martyr is the promise of being closest to God in the afterlife.
A bit of Paradise Theory for the non-Muslim: Islam teaches that paradise will have 7 levels. Depending on just how good you were you’ll be in one of the 7, which essentially progress from being Great to Even Greater to Awesome to Cowabunga Dude!
People who aspire to being martyrs hope to really please God and thus be in the highest level of paradise, close to God, along with the very best of all muslims ever, rather than being in a lower level of paradise with the rest of the plebs who believed in Islam and were good. The 72 virgins are just one of many attractions they believe will be available to them.
It’s kind of like going into a dinner party where the food will be amazing and never ending, the music delightful, the conversation stimulating, the art decor thought-provoking (and someone constantly updating it with the latest works), and you would get $50 just for coming.
If you were to equate the 72 virgins to the $50, it’s basically nothing more than the delicious icing on the cake of having a good time. Only in Paradise, the good time lasts forever.
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There is a reason death is called the ultimate curtain…It is precisely so that those with the mentality of Pharoahs and Nimrods keep believing there is nothing after death…
It is only after you die that things become irreversible…
And yes, there will be 72 Hoors for the noble martyrs of God…
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Sorry, I'm going by the obsession of 72 virgins in religion threads.
I'll rephrase then... I'm sorry they think: #1) dying in a battle automatically gets you into heaven, and #2) heaven is a buffet of carnal excess that appeases their selfish desires.
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I'll rephrase then... I'm sorry they think: #1) dying in a battle automatically gets you into heaven, and #2) heaven is a buffet of carnal excess that appeases their selfish desires.
See, even if Hezbollah fights Jews, that is no guarantee of going to Heaven
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i think they're view is more, they are proud to fight and die for something they really believe in. 2) islamically it is jihaad, hence they are martyrs from thier POV 3) the glorificatication they get whilst as a soldier and after death, shows how proud their ppl are of them. hence wether they survive or dont, its a win win situation either way.
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I agree that belief makes them dedicated and a tough enemy. But it doesn't change the fact that it is a false belief.
My 5 year old niece thinks the tooth fairy prances into her room and leaves her $1 for every tooth she loses. When she wakes up in the morning there is $1 under her pillow. But that doesn't change the fact that she has a false belief.
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is definately correct. The theory goes that by dying in a battle where you believe you are serving God, not only are your sins forgiven, but you basically score maximum brownie points with God because you’ve shown Him that you value serving him for than life itself.
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is myopic. They believe that heaven has many rewards in it, which includes carnal rewards amongst many other rewards.
Frankly, there’s no hiding from the carnality of it. Islam is a carrot-and-stick religion that obtains adherence to a moral and spiritual framework through offering what you desire if you obey, and promising what you fear if you don’t.
Since men think below their waists most of the time… it’s logical that that’s where the carrot needs to be dangled to get them to obey God.
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And who are you to judge on their beliefs?
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Since men think below their waists most of the time.... it's logical that that's where the carrot needs to be dangled to get them to obey God.
And what about women?
Sorry, but there's nothing logical about that to me. Righteousness is more than just behavior. Sprituality and closeness to God is more than just keeping it your pants.
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No different than any Muslim who judge all non-believers to be going to hell.
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Thats all a nation like lebanon needs at present. dedicated soldiers.
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you forgot 'In your opinion.' :) which obviously does not matter to them either.
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Sorry, Ma but they are going to need a little bit more than that. That's pretty naive. It is enough to inflict some casualties and draw this out for a few weeks, but it's not going to win them any wars.
You are right, my views don't matter to them. Never said it did or would. I was just expressing my sorrow for their opinion of what happens to them after dying in battle.
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In the West child are lead to believe that Santa will bring them gifts if they behave, Islamic terror organizations lead their fighters to believe that they will be rewarded in the after life if killed while in battle so they fight hard and dangerously, it's the same mentality.
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Islam is a carrot-and-stick religion that obtains adherence to a moral and spiritual framework through offering what you desire if you obey, and promising what you fear if you don't.
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As you point out MS, control is the essence of religion.
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