Hezbollah's fighters, Islam (split from WA "Israeli forces have killed...." thread)

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters

@Stu

As you point out MS, control is the essence of religion.
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I fully agree with that statement. I believe that without control, humans do terrible things. Witness Stalin, Mao, Hitler and the Khmer Rouge.

[Captain1]

Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters

@underthedome

In the West child are lead to believe that Santa will bring them gifts if they behave, Islamic terror organizations lead their fighters to believe that they will be rewarded in the after life if killed while in battle so they fight hard and dangerously, it's the same mentality.

one is for life, the other is for afterlife which west ignores saying 'Christ died for our sins'.

[Stu]

Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters

@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

I fully agree with that statement. I believe that without control, humans do terrible things. Witness Stalin, Mao, Hitler and the Khmer Rouge.

?? Those are examples of absolute power/control corrupting absolutely. You should also include the Taliban in that list.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters

@Stu

?? Those are examples of absolute power/control corrupting absolutely. You should also include the Taliban in that list.

Where were the Taliban death camps? The carefully pre-planned organised massacre of millions? The secret police infiltrating all through society? The creation of a privileged elite that lived in luxury whilst the people suffered?

[Captain1]

Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters

@Stu

fundamentalist muslims = donkeys

Incorrect, you could say that about "Extermist" religionists be they Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus etc.

[Stu]

Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters

@Captain1

Incorrect, you could say that about “Extermist” religionists be they Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus etc.

I would agree w/that. MS specifically referred to Islam.

[Stu]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Where were the Taliban death camps? The carefully pre-planned organised massacre of millions? The secret police infiltrating all through society? The creation of a privileged elite that lived in luxury whilst the people suffered?

I’m not sure how well the public executions of burqa-less females, and others who happened to disagree w/the Talibani’s fundamentalist ideals, were organized. Probably not too well though all things considered.

Further, I’m sure that the warlords who were on the Talibani’s “good side” and the Al Qaeda Arab “visitors” lived in relatively less squalor than the typical afghani.

The point is they used brutality and murder to exert control. The relative scale and level of complexity doesn’t really matter.

[Seminole]

Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters

@Captain1

one is for life, the other is for afterlife which west ignores saying ‘Christ died for our sins’.

Not sure that you have a grasp of what the west (although I think you meant Christians) considers necessary for afterlife. No, Christ didn’t teach that you get there by killing, but Christianity doesn’t say you get free reign to sin since Christ died for mans’ sins.

[Captain1]

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@Seminole

Not sure that you have a grasp of what the west (although I think you meant Christians) considers necessary for afterlife.

I referred to the same west UTD referred to.

No, Christ didn’t teach that you get there by killing, but Christianity doesn’t say you get free reign to sin since Christ died for mans’ sins.

It is just like the 72 hoor thingie you mentioned above.

[Seminole]

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@Captain1

I referred to the same west UTD referred to.

No, he referred to a cultural, secular, mythological figure. You referred to Jesus Christ.

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It is just like the 72 hoor thingie you mentioned above.
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How so? I'm not the one who advocates 72 hoors for "martyrs", our resident, self proclaimed experts on Islam are the ones who tell us that is what awaits those who kill in the name of God.

[system]

Re: Israeli forces have killed nearly 100 Hezbollah fighters

@Stu

I’m not sure how well the public executions of burqa-less females, and others who happened to disagree w/the Talibani’s fundamentalist ideals, were organized. Probably not too well though all things considered.

People from the outside looking at the Taliban government think that they were oppressors.
Here’s an article from an Afghan woman about what the Taliban did for the women of Afghanistan.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_ahmad/20050526.html

“During the Taliban we could not come to the [health] clinic without our husbands and we could not move around freely, but there was no threat of rape for women,” said Ayesha, 40, a Pashtun villager from rural Kandahar province.

“The Taliban made it so that no one could come into our homes. A woman could even sleep with her door open at night and nothing would happen to her.”

[AllahkaBanda]

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@sherafghan

People from the outside looking at the Taliban government think that they were oppressors.
Here’s an article from an Afghan woman about what the Taliban did for the women of Afghanistan.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_ahmad/20050526.html

This should shut few people’s mouths. Alas, they would still fail to recognize the beauty that lies within Islam.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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@Stu

I’m not sure how well the public executions of burqa-less females

Please, do enlighten me by providing a link from a major news source that gives any specific cases of women executed for not wearing a burqa?

[AllahkaBanda]

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@Seminole

No, he referred to a cultural, secular, mythological figure. You referred to Jesus Christ. How so? I'm not the one who advocates 72 hoors for "martyrs", our resident, self proclaimed experts on Islam are the ones who tell us that is what awaits those who kill in the name of God.

God knows what's the true intention that lies within the heart of a person. So whoever, a true momin(Muslim), had the right intention and died while fighting against the enemies to protect, his family, his country and his deen(religion) is a martyr. (His actions should be within Islamic Sharia). And Allah, inshAllah, will reward him for his deeds.

The person who just fight in the name of Allah/Islam but doesn't have the correct intention and action cannot be considered a martyr.

It doesn't matter how many times someone explain this, but you'll still argue and follow your desires, and will never return to the righteous path unless Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala guide you.

[Seminole]

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@AllahkaBanda

God knows what's the true intention that lies within the heart of a person. So whoever, a true momin(Muslim), had the right intention and died while fighting against the enemies to protect, his family, his country and his deen(religion) is a martyr. (His actions should be within Islamic Sharia). And Allah, inshAllah, will reward him for his deeds.

The person who just fight in the name of Allah/Islam but doesn't have the correct intention and action cannot be considered a martyr.

It doesn't matter how many times someone explain this, but you'll still argue and follow your desires, and will never return to the righteous path unless Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala guide you.

Perhaps then we shouldn't be so quick to declare every Muslim that dies in battle as a martyr.

Besides I have a problem when people claim the God that I know and worship (for there is but one Unifying Power) advocates killing as some type of ultimate solution and sacrifice to Him. God gave us so many more powers, intelligence and talents other than the ability to fight and kill. Would He not offer a much bigger reward to those who employed alternate means other than picking up a sword or strapping on a bomb to fight for His cause?

[AllahkaBanda]

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@Seminole

Perhaps then we shouldn't be so quick to declare every Muslim that dies in battle as a martyr.

Only Allah knows what's the reality and where every person stands but people can only see other people as they appear and what they do. As i told you before, any person who died while protecting his family, his country and his deen(religion) is a martyr. And when i say religion, i mean Islam. It's obvious that person's intention is to protect something and that's withing Islamic boundries. As far concering the action, if it's within Islamic Shariah then there's nothing wrong with it. An muslim innocent civilan died in any part of the globe during the war by the kafirs or by his own brothers/sister is a shaheed (martyr) and those who died while protecting those people are also martyr. I hope this clear up everything.

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Would He not offer a much bigger reward to those who employed alternate means other than picking up a sword or strapping on a bomb to fight for His cause?
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Would you not fight against those who threat you, kill your own brothers/sisters, within same religion as you, and more importantly humliate Allah's religion, disobey His existence and are enemies of Allah.

[Mal1k]

Re: Hezbollah's fighters, Islam (split from WA "Israeli forces have killed...." thread)

For us Muslims, martyrdom is a lot more than just 72 hoors. It is the love for Allah, the love for Islam, & the love for our beloved Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w). This fact is very hard for kuffars to digest, hence the mockery