hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

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Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@MehnazQ

Fraudia, kidnapping the soldiers no doubt was a stupid act on part of Hizbullah. However, it is not the first time something like this has happened. Israel has gone completely overboard with their reaction. They have negotiated in the past with Hizbullah and they could have at least attempted to negotiate with them before bombing the crap out of Lebanon. I really don't believe they are hiding out in those apartment buildings that are being bombed by Israeli missles, and that is just my opinion. If the Israeli army know that is where Hizbullah are hiding, then send your men in and face them instead of bombing indiscriminantly from the air which only ends up killing civilians. They are acting no better than ther "terrorists" who fire missiles into civilian areas or blow up bombs on buses.

I agree.

Also, civilians from Gaza were kidnapped a day before the solder was kidnapped, not to mention many missing Lebanese from the border towns. It was inevitable that such an escalation occured there.

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@MehnazQ

Fraudia, kidnapping the soldiers no doubt was a stupid act on part of Hizbullah. However, it is not the first time something like this has happened. Israel has gone completely overboard with their reaction. They have negotiated in the past with Hizbullah and they could have at least attempted to negotiate with them before bombing the crap out of Lebanon. I really don’t believe they are hiding out in those apartment buildings that are being bombed by Israeli missles, and that is just my opinion. If the Israeli army know that is where Hizbullah are hiding, then send your men in and face them instead of bombing indiscriminantly from the air which only ends up killing civilians. They are acting no better than ther “terrorists” who fire missiles into civilian areas or blow up bombs on buses.

yet again..on the record. I do not condone Israel’s over reaction to this and their underhanded tactics throughout. I also have never been in favour of military actions or ‘resistance’ actions that endanger or impact civilians. Israel needed an excuse and it got one, not much different from its excuses in the 80’s as it got involved in Lebanon.

taking israel out of the discussion, do hizbollahs ‘resistance’ match with the bravado in their leaders words? From what I have seen so far the answer is no.

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@arshad5

Fraudz…Isreal does not need a reason to attack…what exactly do you want Hizbullah to do? Isreal is going to be paying a big price if they continue,but I suspect the cowards will try to reach a ceasefire.

Yes they do, time and time again they have used idiotic actions by hamas to take actions (moronic shelling of innocent palestinians) and then used the initial idiotic action by hamas as an excuse to exlain their actions in the court of public opinion in the world community.

what do I want Hizbollah to do, either dont dick around and put innocent lebanese ppl in danger, or if you are going to pick a fight, have the courage, ability, and equipment to have a fight, and not get innocent ppl get hurt.

issuing big talk statements while in hiding and sending young kids to die is easy to do, and that what hizbi leaders, like hamas leaders, are experts at.

[DaBest]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

What non-Lebanese fools don't understand and will never understand is that Hezbollah equals Lebanon. Every innocent civilians that Pakistanis are pretending to cry about will fight and die for Hezbollah.

And another thing is that you CANNOT separate the military wing of Hezbollah and the social/political wing. They are ONE and the same.

[DaBest]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@Fraudz

There may be, however the phalange militia spent a lot of time fighting amal and hizbollah so it is a bit unlikely.

Phalange Militia also attacked and killed Christians in the South.

[DaBest]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@MehnazQ

How can Hizbullah be Mullahtic soldiers when they aren’t even all Muslim?

Mehnaz,

Please don’t say anything that counter’s antiobl’s myopic worldview. It’s too much for his tiny little brain to handle.

[Starsky]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

Fraudz,

I'm gonna keep this very simple and to the point.

@Fraudz

1- I am not in south lebanon, but then niether are you so we are both basing our views on reports we are hearing

Then what is your source Hezbollah are running?

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2- ppl can die fighting or they can die hiding, just cuz they are dead does not mean they had some kinda grand offensive

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No one has suggested Hezbollah have made an offensive. As I stated before they are not a fully fledged military to fight a conventional war. They are a guerilla army that awaits its enemy ie. ambushes, hit and run.

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3- as far as sources go, I have looked at all sources, US, Uk, al jazeera, arabnews, you name it, heck even by Hebollhahs own leaders message there is no indication that they are fighting, but just that they intend to.

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Look again my friend. Of course they are fighting. Why else have the Israeli incursions been so slow in progression? Resistance. The Israelis have taken quite a few losses too.

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@DaBest

Phalange Militia also attacked and killed Christians in the South.

but their claim to fame are the sabira and shatila massacres.

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

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I'm gonna keep this very simple and to the point.**

good, i was kinda getting bored of the personal insults and the tangents..

*Then what is your source Hezbollah are running? *

popular media, UK, US, Arab, al jazeera, Pakistan News...and even the statement by hezbollahs chief clown.. I think I already stated it somewhere

No one has suggested Hezbollah have made an offensive. As I stated before they are not a fully fledged military to fight a conventional war. They are a guerilla army that awaits its enemy ie. ambushes, hit and run.

right... so why all the big talk in their speeches, aray bhai...if you cant

Look again my friend. Of course they are fighting. Why else have the Israeli incursions been so slow in progression? Resistance. The Israelis have taken quite a few losses too.

yeh sure they are fighting, poorly, defending..poorly. I mean if this is the best they can muster up then they should go easy in their propoganda material and speeches and statements by their clowns.

I look at the effectiveness of hezbollahs fighting in what has happened to south of beruit, if they were effective, that would not have hapened.

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

okay..recent news now indicate that hizbis are atleast beginning to do more than just lob rockets randomly..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

However, I still stand by my statement that the people they were supposedly protecting had to go evacuate their homes, bcause this gorilla er guerilla force has no real answers to aerial assults or modern warfare apparatus.

[underthedome]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@arshad5

but I suspect the cowards will try to reach a ceasefire.

Seeking a ceasefire is an act of cowardliness?

[underthedome]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@DaBest

What non-Lebanese fools don't understand and will never understand is that Hezbollah equals Lebanon. Every innocent civilians that Pakistanis are pretending to cry about will fight and die for Hezbollah.

Talk about myopic.

[Lajawab]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@Fraudz

so these groups have their huge propoganda, brainwashing ppl to join em, all the machismo. we will do this we will do that, we are so brave and shyt like that. Why is it that the best they can do is go in hiding and lob a few missiles here and there.

I mean hey if you are so brave and shyt, go fight.

hopefully them running with their tails between their legs and hiding shows ppl what these groups really are.

if your actions started a conflict, and you supposedly are the protectors and defenders of the ppl, where is your punk azz now.

Time for ppl to realize that it is in the interest of these outfits to keep friction and keep conflict going, just so they can use that as their political currency, otherwise they have nothing to offer.

Agai this thread is not about whether israel is wrong or right, its more about the disparity between the propoganda and hype, and the reality where hizbollah goons have just gone in hiding. Maybe they are just as big of pansies as their bosses the shiite theocracy of iran and the idiot ayotollahs.

You are a little naive Pir ji if you think guerilla warfare is fought in the open face to face…This is how guerilla warfare has been fought from time immemorial…Specially fighting an enemy which outguns you…

[DaBest]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@Fraudz

However, I still stand by my statement that the people they were supposedly protecting had to go evacuate their homes

and Hezbollah STILL paid for all of their expenses, food, medical, shelter and a new home. This is not the first time either the South Lebanese had to evacuate and Hezbollah made sure that they did safely and securely. When they came back, Hezbollah helped them rebuild their homes and schools. That's why Hezbollah is necessary.

[Starsky]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@Fraudz

**Then what is your source Hezbollah are running? **

popular media, UK, US, Arab, al jazeera, Pakistan News…and even the statement by hezbollahs chief clown.. I think I already stated it somewhere

Ok prove it with a link. I watch Sky and BBC news in the UK and NOT once have they aired a report saying Hezbollah are running. Quite the opposite.
As for Al-Jazeera, well read on…

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4E913629-D294-4639-B36E-CCAFA282D82A.htm

Your claims are clearly baseless.

right… so why all the big talk in their speeches, aray bhai…if you cant

What big talk? Their ‘big talk’ doesn’t mention offensives but fighting Israel by guerilla warfare when they enter.

yeh sure they are fighting, poorly, defending..poorly. I mean if this is the best they can muster up then they should go easy in their propoganda material and speeches and statements by their clowns.

Yeah of course they’re fighting poorly, thats why Israel has made very slow progression into S Lebanon! LOL. Just look at how hard it was to take the village Maroun Al Ras.

I look at the effectiveness of hezbollahs fighting in what has happened to south of beruit, if they were effective, that would not have hapened.

For the third time, Hezbollah are not a military with a triad of army, navy and air force. They are a guerilla force which fights guerilla warfare against armies on land. They cannot stop the Israeli Air Force. Judge their effectiveness from their performance against the IDF in South Lebanon, which upto now seems pretty impressive.

[DaBest]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

"Big talk" is done by all world political leaders; I don't see Bush sending his drunken twin over to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Edited by Muzna - Mind your language please.

[DaBest]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@underthedome

Talk about myopic.

Have you ever been Lebanon? Good.

[underthedome]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

You think you speak and represent all of Lebanon just because your from there? Your one sidedness is an extream viewpoint, Hezbollah = Lebanon, what a joke, you might live in Lebanon but it's clear your heart belongs to Syria.

[DaBest]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

@underthedome

You're quite the child DaBest. You think you speak and represent all of Lebanon just because your from there? Your one sidedness is an extream viewpoint, Hezbollah = Lebanon, what a joke, you might live in Lebanon but it's clear your heart belongs to Syria.

lol, the majority of Lebanon supports Hezbollah and since when did that equal supporting Syria? It is clear from that ignorant statement you know nothing. If some Israeli ardently supports the terror actions of the IDF would you say his heart belongs to the USA, since USA provides for the IDF?

Just because a few genocidal Christians and secular Sunnis don't like Hezbollah (but run to them for protection like hypocrites), does not mean they represent Lebanon.

[ravage]

Re: hezbollah, hamas etc etc, big talk but no balls?

the idea that bravery amounts to fighting in a open field and attempting to swallow any bombs you see falling from the sky isnt so well thought out fraudiay.

remember your adopted country's arguably most humiliating retreat was at the hands of a guerilla force.

I see no inherent bravery in sitting behind heavily reinforced pillboxes with armour on every inch of your skin. Nor any bravery in carpet bombings, spraying agent orange, destroying cities from bombers etc etc.