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Victims my hairy white Gora butt.
Please name one thing that ISRAEL has done to pursue peace since this war began. Hezbollah acknowledged the need for a ceasefire just last week, which Israel shut down by saying it was a "sign of weakoning" and that they would purse their goal.
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Let us see what Nasrallah himself says. First, Sha’ba Farms is a samll issue. Second, airspace violations are a small issue. Third, he abducted soldiers intentionally in an attempt to negociate a prisoner release.
He clearly miscalculated, and precipitated this crisis.
These are his own Idiotic Words:
This thing you asked me about - that I didn’t inform or ask [the Lebanese government]…
First of all, the government statement, on the basis of which we joined the government, says that the Lebanese government adopts the resistance, and its natural right to liberate the land and the prisoners. Okay, how is the resistance supposed to liberate the prisoners? It should go to George Bush? I cannot and will not go to George Bush. When you say “the right of the resistance,” you are not talking about the foreign ministry. You are talking about the armed resistance, and the government statement says that it has the right to liberate the land and the prisoners. I am a resistance movement. I am armed. That’s one thing. This is the government statement, on the basis of which the government won the parliament’s vote of confidence.
Second, during the [Lebanese national] dialogue… Some people are now saying that I did or didn’t say certain things… There are recordings. Yes, I did tell them that we are keeping the border calm, because this was our policy. But there are two issues in which we cannot tolerate this calm. I raised four issues. Two issues can bear delays, procrastination, postponement, and reminders. No problem. The first is the continued occupation of the Shab’a Farms. Never mind, we can take our time on this. this is a small and limited piece of land. We will not start a war over the Shab’a Farms. I’m referring to the kind of war we have now. The second issue was the aerial and naval violations [of sovereignty], and even violations by ground forces. We can tolerate this. True, violations of our sovereignty are deplorable. But are we supposed to destroy the world because of it? No. Two issues cannot tolerate any delay. One is the issue of the prisoners, because of the human suffering. The second issue is any attack against civilians. I told them on more than one occasion that we are taking the issue of the prisoners seriously, and that abducting Israeli soldiers is the only way to resolve it. Of course, I said this in a low-key tone. I did not declare in the dialogue: “In July I will abduct Israeli soldiers.” This is impossible.
Interviewer: Did you inform them that you were about to abduct Israeli soldiers?
Hassan Nasrallah: I told them that we must resolve the issue of the prisoners, and that the only way to resolve it is by abducting Israeli soldiers.
Interviewer: Did you say this clearly?
Hassan Nasrallah: Yes, and nobody said to me: “No, you are not allowed to abduct Israeli soldiers.” Even if they had told me not to… I’m not defending myself here. I said that we would abduct Israeli soldiers in meetings with some of the main political leaders in the country. I don’t want to mention names now, but when the time comes to settle accounts, I will. They asked: “If this happens, will the issue of the prisoners be over and done with?” I said that it was logical that it would. And I’m telling you, our estimation was not mistaken. I’m not exaggerating. Anywhere in the world - show me a country, show me an army, show me a war, in which two soldiers, or even civilian hostages, were abducted, and a war was waged against a country - and all for two soldiers. This has never happened throughout history, and even Israel has never done such a thing.
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If 60-70 people know all the details of an abduction operation, can it possibly be successful? No, it cannot. All the more so if I inform a government, which has 24 ministers, the heads of the three government branches, political forces, and coalitions. When we held the national dialogue, we talked and discussed things, and an hour later, the protocols of the meetings reached the embassies. Do you want me to tell the entire world that I am about to carry out an abduction operation? It’s not logical.
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It is true that I did not inform the Lebanese government, but I did not inform my closest allies either. Syria and Iran did not know. No Syrian or Iranian knew. They did not know, and I did not consult any of them.
http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1200
Nasrallah screwed up. He is saying here that he never considered an all out war. But why then would you arm to the teeth, build bunkers and train soldiers? Shooting rockets across the border is not a cause for war? He says here that he is not a man of peace he is an armed man, and a such it is his job to shoot. He is a stupid egomaniacal bonehead who hasn’t a thought in the world of peace. He is an unelected cleric in charge of a heavily armed militia who is answerable to no one. He is a benevolent WarLord. So he has a war.
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Withdraw from Lebanon?
Withdraw from Gaza?
Plan more withdrawls from the West Bank?
Your turn. Name one thing Hizbullah has done.
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^^Hizb wanted their prisoners back which Israel has not honored...howwwwaaaaaat...
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For the very first time the UN Security Council is now recognizing the dispute over the Shebaa farms and the issue of Lebanese prisoners. This is written in the first draft of the UN resolution they are debating at present, and this is quite an achievment for Hezbollah. After 6 years of refusal Israel is now going along with this, because the war has weakened it’s case on both issues, and in coming days it will be forced to accept the Hezbollah/Lebanese demands for a swift withdrawal of it’s invading forces from Lebanon.
Contrary to all the bravado of the pro-Israeli side in the first few days Hezbollah has survived, is more popular than ever, and is getting all it asked for. :k:
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Did Israel return Jordanian and Egyptian prisoners after peace agreements?
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You never withdrew from Lebanon, you **were **defeated and thrown back to your crapy land by the Great Hizbollah!
You are liars and are making the world fool by saying you are planning to withdraw from West Bank. You will never.
Withdrawing from Gaza was just a game to satisfy the traitor yasser arafat’s sex desires. 
Here is **what **Hizbollah is doing / has already done:
1) Liberated Lebanon from Israeli tyrants in year 2000!
2) Helping Palestinians get Al-Quds back.
3) They pay medical bills, offer health insurance, pay school fees and make money available for small businesses. They are invisible but omnipresent, providing essential services that the Lebanese government through years of war was incapable of offering.
4) The group is at once highly decentralized and extremely organized. Awali, whose job as a guard pays $170 a month, far lower wages than average, ran out of money for food shortly after his second daughter was born. He mentioned this to one of his neighbors, and days later, people with bags of groceries showed up at his tiny one-room apartment.
“They just put it down in the middle of the room and left,” said Yusra Haidar, Awali’s wife, sitting on a stoop outside their building, her young daughters, now 6 and 9, eating grapes at her feet.
5) Hezbollah paid for his wife’s Caesarean section. It brought olive oil, sugar and nuts when he lost his job and even covered the cost of an operation on his broken nose.
Like many poor Muslims across southern Lebanon, Ahmed Awali, 41, a security guard at an apartment building in this southern city, has received charity from Hezbollah for years. He says he is not a member. He doesn’t even know the names of those who helped him.
For more info: click here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003178633_hezbollah06.html
Need to see more works done?
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**6) Started a war which led to the utter destruction of Lebanon and its economy.
Congratulations.
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I don't know...
But hit hard...and even harder beyond your imaginations...you will get everything back for sure... :)
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Withdraw from Gaza?
Plan more withdrawls from the West Bank?
Your turn. Name one thing Hizbullah has done.
I see you've learned a lot of tricks of manipulating words and statements... I guess your media and politicians have taught you well :) .
I clearly asked you to name one thing that Israel has done SINCE THE WAR BEGAN to pursue peace. Not in general (or before the war).
I already named one thing Hezbollah did, which was to acknowledge the need for a ceasefire, something that the Israeli government did not acknowledge and termed as a "sign of weakoning" which apparently justified their action to increase their strikes.
And Israel withdrew from Gaza? I don't understand why the US media makes this seem like such a celebrated and moral move. Do you have any idea of the extent of damage that their illegal settlements did to Gaza?
Have you ever been to Gaza? I bet you haven't. There's much more to this world than your precious state of Ohio.
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But hit hard...and even harder beyond your imaginations...you will get everything back for sure... :)
Ummh, two can play at that game. Israel is still using a fraction of it's combat power. That is a game that will only make the rubble in Beirut bounce higher and longer.
Incase it has not struck anybody, Israeli towns are absorbing the worst Hizbullah can dish out. They are gonna emerge from those bunkers and want Netanyahu to run. They will be convinced that only a Sharon-like leader can deal with their enemies. Be careful what you wish for....
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Incase it has not struck anybody, Israeli towns are absorbing the worst Hizbullah can dish out. They are gonna emerge from those bunkers and want Netanyahu to run. They will be convinced that only a Sharon-like leader can deal with their enemies. Be careful what you wish for....
I'm still baffled by your blatant support for such an illegal state. I bet you think I'm "anti-semetic" because I don't agree with Israeli policies.
You are the unfortunate offspring of the Israeli Public Relations sector sexually abusing the American people. You fail to see reality. You are in such serious denial that nothing I say will remotely convince you. Arguing with such arrogant and ignorant people is absolutely worthless.
You are an insult to my intelligence.
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I clearly asked you to name one thing that Israel has done SINCE THE WAR BEGAN to pursue peace. Not in general (or before the war).
I already named one thing Hezbollah did, which was to acknowledge the need for a ceasefire, something that the Israeli government did not acknowledge and termed as a "sign of weakoning" which apparently justified their action to increase their strikes.
And Israel withdrew from Gaza? I don't understand why the US media makes this seem like such a celebrated and moral move. Do you have any idea of the extent of damage that their illegal settlements did to Gaza?
Have you ever been to Gaza? I bet you haven't. There's much more to this world than your precious state of Ohio.
You mean what has Israel done in 30 days of war to promote peace? Who cares, they are at war?! Hezbullah wanted a cease-fire because Israel was battering Lebanon far beyond the calculations of Nasrallah. He realized that Lebanon was going to be pulverized and 30 days after the bombing stopped, the Lebanese people may want to kill him. Israel will get stronger everyday for the next 30 days. They were shocked and suprised, but today they replaced the General in charge, and they will pour troops into Lebanon. There is plenty of time for peace, but for the next 30 days Israel will pound their enemy. Then it will be time to think about peace again.
Gaza? Gaza and the rest of the Territories were doing very well until Intifada I, and particularly Intifada II. Ask Arafat what he gained by those wars. Nasrallah did not learn from those conflicts that leaving people in poverty, rubble, and ruin is not a formula for honor.
And, it is impossible to insult that which does not exist.
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You are an insult to my intelligence.
And for some reason you don't think someone with an opposing view can say *exactly *the same thing about you when they run out of things to say?
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Incase it has not struck anybody, Israeli towns are absorbing the worst Hizbullah can dish out. They are gonna emerge from those bunkers and want Netanyahu to run. They will be convinced that only a Sharon-like leader can deal with their enemies. Be careful what you wish for....
I have recieved your message...take care of yourself...be wise...
The new challanger has arrived...hezb etc...
Don't make mess...otherwise al-qaeda and its affilites might join too...
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The facts are that those soldiers were kidnap inside Lebanese territory and the rockets started after Israel escalation.
It is interesting that America and Israel that claim to be ethically, morally and politically bright are comparing itself to a local militia. I guess that is only way they can establish any kind of credibility in the International arena and after that loose.
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Withdraw from Gaza? - wasn't their land to start with. The still illegally occupy lot of Palestinian land and have their thieves (oops settlers) sitting in them. Token gestures, big deal.
Plan more withdrawals from the West Bank? - Yeah yeah been hearing it for the last 20 years. Tell me something new.
Your turn. Name one thing Hizbullah has done.
Now lets see what they have done
This is just in Lebanon.
The list grows even longer if you look at the terrorist activities of Israel in Gaza and West Bank.
Truly shameful.
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It is interesting that America and Israel that claim to be ethically, morally and politically bright are comparing itself to a local militia. I guess that is only way they can establish any kind of credibility in the International arena and after that loose.
Roger that "Man with a Plan"!
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Okay I'm back. I just cannot resist your statements. Undoubtedly I agree that there are two sides to the story and I respect both parties to the point that they are just. I understand if you say that the fact that this war is killing innocent Lebanese, it is not achieving anything, and in your case, Hezbollah is to blame. Although I cannot agree with you, I can understand your position.
However, you just keep committing fallacies! You claim that Israel is not working at a peace agreement right now because they are in a war. According to you, when a country, group, state, etc is in war, they should keep fighting and killing and not have an objective of peace, because the purpose of war is fighting and not obtaining peace. This is what I gather.
Do I really need to go into detail about why you are so incredibly wrong again? Maybe I should, since I'm sure in the time that I haven't spoken, you have gone back to the propoganda machine networks in your beloved 'democratic' country and been slightly more brainwashed. Basically, you have a right to defend yourself during war, as Israel claims-- but defense usually entails protecting or avoiding further conflict. Sure, a state can reach this aim through fighting, but shoulhd they not make the effort of trying to end the violence so that they can truly obtain peace? Isn't PEACE the objective of Israel (as you claim)?
See, this is a fallacy in itself. Fighting for peace is like f*cking for virginity.
Okay... now about the Second Uprising (i.e. Intifa'dha II). The American media once again lied about what happened during the talks at Camp David, where apparently Israel offered an amazing offer that Arafat did not accept. This never happened. In fact, after Arafat failed to accept the pathetic offer by Israel, it was ISRAEL that stationed its troops infront of Masjid Al-Aqsa-- PROVOKING an uprising.
This is fact that's hidden by the U.S. media... if you watch any other media that is less influenced by Zionism (i.e. Canadian, British, Australian) you will hear a broader more realistic western perspective.
The "freedom" that (I'm sure) you value in your country is all a bunch of b.s. constructed to keep average and weak minded citizens (i.e. Majority of your great nation) suppressed and unaware of the real facts.
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Hamas and Hizbollah are the two most popular org in Middle East. They live in people's hearts and come from grass root levels.