Hey, go ahead if it threatens your national safety, but don’t give me the bull**** that US is going in to ‘save’ Iraqi people. ‘He has killed thousands’ … Oh yeah??? Your bombs will kill Millions! Makes me sick when I hear this argument.
And don’t say they [OBL & Saddam] are connected to justify the war. Having lived in that region of the world, knowing the differences, at least I don’t believe for a split second that they have collaborated or will ever collaborate.
Again, if US want to go in for their defenses, nothing can stop that. But at least they [US Govt] need to be honest with their public and the rest of world. Do not freaking join the lines where the same never existed!
I am all for the national defenses (IF there’s a proof of direct or indirect threat), but save the rattles for the ignorant! “Gona save the Iraqis… Saddam helped OBL” …. Yeah right, my foot!!
yaaaar chaudhry saaaab... you took the words out of my mouth (..and from my post it seems like)
In the "oiling up for war" thread, i posted this..
man, saddam is a dictator, an evil person and should be slapped to death, but that is NOT the reason we are going after him, there are plenty of other dictators in teh world as well who would be right up there with him in terms of nastiness.
So lets not make this some altruistic social service rescue mission to liberate ppol from him, becaus ethe ppl have been sufferingunder him for more than a decade after desert storm.
Kick his butt, sure, but his dictatorial rule did not happen yesterday, it has been around for sometime, and at one time he was an ally as well.
same for those other set of idiots, taleban. when we attacked them we made it look like they were so bad and so horrid..which they were, but they had been all that pretty much all the time they were in power.
the fact that war got rid of them and may get rid of saddam now and may be a blessing to the people is a by product, not our primary goal. Otherwise there are other dictators that we should start taking out soon. lets start closer to home..lets take out castro.
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Hey, go ahead if it threatens your national safety, but don’t give me the bull*** that US is going in to ‘save’ Iraqi people. ‘He has killed thousands’ ... Oh yeah??? Your bombs will kill Millions! Makes me sick when I hear this argument.
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Kill millions? What are you talking about?
No has said that the U.S. is going to war to save the Iraq people from the brutal dictator Saddam, but that will be a side effect, why shouldn't this be mentioned?
Fraudia is their reason to believe that Castro has a WMD program?
North Korea does, and is ruled by a ruthless regime. China as well.
and so far we dont know if Iraq does..right.
The point is lets call it like it is. if we think Iraq has WMD and that is a danger to the country etc etc..that is understandable...talking about his dictatorial rule and treatment of his people may rally support from people who cant stand to see the people suffer under him..but that is not our reason to pursue this war.
Chemically as I believe. The US was the sole country to vote against a 1986 Security Council statement condemning Iraq’s use of mustard gas against Iranian troops…](http://www.rupe-india.org/34/iran.html)
The greatest tragedy of all that was that none of these countries (US, UK et al) approached the UN to have Iraq condemnded for it’s invasion of Iran in 1980. It was only after the first Gulf war that the UN Secretary General sent a letter to Iran apologising for that fact.
Why were the Arab and the Muslim world quiet when US helped stop the genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo by the Serbs? There was no cry for the UN resolutions, was there (Serbia was not a direct threat to the US? Was it?) As has been said before, the dumb people need to be taught a lesson. They need to be taken care of before they have nukes. The world is not ready for another tragedy of the WW11 scale.
I guess, those who don't want War also think that US was wrong to intervene in the Balkans. Is that so? Or is muslim blood more precious than educated blood?
hey man i dinn say i dont want war.. and you are not teh first one to make the bosnia argument, first azkar steals my points and now you do :P
if we hafat kick saddam's rear lets do it, but dont claim its some public service initiatives to iraqi citizens. its in our interests and there is no shame in saying this.. just like those countries in opposition for the most part have their own interests in mind when they say no to it.
I guess, those who don't want War also think that US was wrong to intervene in the Balkans. Is that so? Or is muslim blood more precious than educated blood?
i did not know being muslim and being educated was mutually exclusive..oh anyways..
If we would have charged in when the byatch was gassing the kurdish ppl to protect them like we did in bosnia to protect the bosnians from the serbs than we can justifaibly say that this was our prime reason to get involved.
In this case its not. pure and simple...why parade it as it is. Kick saddam's rear cuz we dont like him and he is a danger, but not cuz he is bad to his ppl..thats not our motivation, otherwise there are plenty of other rulers bad to their ppl too as i noted earlier.
Fraudz, 80s was a very tense period, there was a full fledge war in the mideast, even Israel had it's nuclear options open, with a finger on the trigger (read Samson Option). US cannot be at all places at all times. If mistake was once made, I hope it does not become a habit, and sooner the bytch is sent to hell, the better. And I do believe, that Iraqi people will be the biggest winner. After Iraq, I hope it is Saudi Arabia, then Iran, and then the UK. Inshallah.
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Fraudz, 80s was a very tense period, there was a full fledge war in the mideast, even Israel had it's nuclear options open, with a finger on the trigger (read Samson Option). US cannot be at all places at all times. If mistake was once made, I hope it does not become a habit, and sooner the bytch is sent to hell, the better. And I do believe, that Iraqi people will be the biggest winner. After Iraq, I hope it is Saudi Arabia, then Iran, and then the UK. Inshallah.
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I would suggest some other stops along the way..north korea, cuba, half of africa and parts of central america..break israel into 2 countries to give palestinians their homeland etc..then on to saudis etc..
and after the UK the US? :D
I can just imagine green berets slapping ashcroft and cheney around :D
I mean afterall we are going after crooked tyrants eh?
[QUOTE] Originally posted by Azkar Choudhry: *
Hey, go ahead if it threatens your national safety, but don’t give me the bull*** that US is going in to ‘save’ Iraqi people. ‘He has killed thousands’ ... Oh yeah??? Your bombs will kill Millions! Makes me sick when I hear this argument.
And don’t say they [OBL & Saddam] are connected to justify the war. Having lived in that region of the world, knowing the differences, at least I don’t believe for a split second that they have collaborated or will ever collaborate.
Again, if US want to go in for their defenses, nothing can stop that. But at least they [US Govt] need to be honest with their public and the rest of world. Do not freaking join the lines where the same never existed!
I am all for the national defenses (IF there’s a proof of direct or indirect threat), but save the rattles for the ignorant! “Gona save the Iraqis… Saddam helped OBL” …. Yeah right, my foot!!
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*Originally posted by Azkar Choudhry: *And don’t say they [OBL & Saddam] are connected to justify the war.
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IF there was any connection, they certainly wouldn't advertise it!
Question - isn't US presence in the region at the direct request of the individual countries that host them? If Saddam had just been willing to play nice instead of bully his neighbors, we quite probably wouldnt be there!
And, isnt' OBL's (and how many other terrorist groups?) major complaint the presence of foreigners on historically sacred Muslim lands? That would make the actions of Saddam the root cause of the current dearth of terrorist organizations that exist today.
*IF there was any connection, they certainly wouldn't advertise it! *
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Why not? They were recentely advertising evidence about Iraqi nuclear ambitions which has now turned out be FORGED, and which the FBI has lauched an investigation into. Before that it was praising a report the UK governmment presented on Iraq that was later exposed (and admitted) as PLAGIARISED. Back during the first Gulf crisis it openly advertised a report that Iraq had killed Kuwaiti babies in incubators - that report later turned out to an outright LIE.