Re: Are Baluchis targeting Pakistani establishments or Punjabis?
LastOfTheDinosaurs, the truth is that Balochs are not fighting against their sardars, either due to loyalty or pressure. And this can't be compared to Middle East, as Balochistan is not a different country.
Development alongside political emancipation us the best way to go. The riots in Lahore and Peshawar have shown that Balochis areen't the only frustrated people in Pakistan today.
Re: HERO’S OF BALOCHISTAN NAwAB MARRI,SARDAR MENGAL,NAwAB BUGHTI AND GHOUS BAKSH BIZENJO.
What is the video about, since I am on a slow connection? Thanks
Re: HERO'S OF BALOCHISTAN NAwAB MARRI,SARDAR MENGAL,NAwAB BUGHTI AND GHOUS BAKSH BIZENJO.
You didn't see it?
Actually it is hosted by Naeem bukhari (you know who that is right?) and it talks to the head of GDA (a balochi) and he dispells some myths that no balochis are hired in the workforce etc.
Maybe by balochis, these sardars mean non-makrani balochis as I know some of these tribal people who look down upon makranis as low-castes (some even calling them non-balochis) as originally many makranis were imported as slaves in the african slave trade run by balochi and oman sheikhs up until a century ago!
This is why an independent sardari balochistan will never be viable as they will end up killing each other as they do when they are not fighting Pakistan!
Re: HERO'S OF BALOCHISTAN NAwAB MARRI,SARDAR MENGAL,NAwAB BUGHTI AND GHOUS BAKSH BIZENJO.
so baloch......which sardar put a shotgun to your head and told you to post this crap or he will 'blow your brains out'
Re: HERO'S OF BALOCHISTAN NAwAB MARRI,SARDAR MENGAL,NAwAB BUGHTI AND GHOUS BAKSH BIZE
If it weren't for Pakistan, Baluchistan would be Afghanistan Part II. Quetta would be worse than Kabul. And Kabul barely gets 6 hours electricty a day, 5 yrs after the mullas were routed. That's like saying a lot.
What's going on in Baluchistan is simple Afghan-sponsored terrorism. The situation always flares up whenever theres an anti-Pak government in Afghanistan, as was the case in the earlier flare up. It's just that the Pak government is DECENT enough not to get involved in the blame game.
Re: Are Baluchis targeting Pakistani establishments or Punjabis?
mind my ignorance but, what exactly do they want?
seperation from pakistan? well would it make a big difference to pakistan if that happened? its not like they contribute much other than the gass. im sure they will have a much prosperous future on their own or they could even join afghanistan! would that make them happy?
Re: Are Baluchis targeting Pakistani establishments or Punjabis?
as long as ppl consider themselves balouchi or punjabis and not pakistnai's....these problems would continue in the future...today all of the most successful nations are united and are not hallowed by there own ppl....
Will Baluchistan fighting lead to its separation?
The situation in Baluchistan cannot be compared to Bangladesh. Baluchis are too weak with very little resource. Pakistani army can crush the Baluchis in a few weeks.
US is saying it’s Pakistan’s internal affair and will not interfere. Do you’ll agree with Pakistani politicians pointing finger at India?
Will Baluchistan fighting lead to its separation?
By M V Kamath | Sunday, 19 February , 2006, 09:36
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14144415
Baluchistan is again in the news, but for the wrong reasons. Truth to tell, it has not been as much in the news as it should have been. And it is somewhat intriguing that a civil war now being fought in Pakistan’s largest, and most alienated province, is not being covered fully, either by the Western news agencies or by the media, both in Pakistan and in India. The silence of the Western news agencies is particularly stunning and suggests a deal between them and President [Pervez Musharraf](http://javascript:var a = window.open()’s government in Pakistan. The current war, now being fought, is the fifth of its kind.
Baluchistan’s third civil war began in 1962 and ended in 1968 and was fought between Baluch tribals—Muslims all—and Pakistan’s para-military forces. It ended, expectedly, with the Baluchs taking huge losses in livestock through shelling and air attacks. This, as Stephen Philip Cohen once noted, was merely a prelude to a far bloodier war at the peak of Baluchi separatism during the insurrection of 1973-75.
This, the forth war, had been sparked by then Premier Zulfiqar Ali Butto’s dismissal of two local administrators, namely the powerful and respected Mir Ghaus Baksh Bizengo and Sardar Ataullah Khan Mengal, on grounds that they were arming their followers.
The Baluchs could only field some 1,000 guerrillas armed with ancient rifles. But the Baluch casualties were three times that number, while 7,000 Baluch families were forced to take refuge in Afghanistan. The current war, the fifth of its kind, began, innocuously in January 2003 when four Pakistani soldiers were alleged to have raped a doctor employed by Pakistan Petroleum at the gas field believed to be among the largest of its kind in the world. When the authorities failed to file a case, Bugti tribesmen attacked the gas field, but the fighting tapered off.
About that time, Musharraf issued a warning that if the insurgents continued fighting, he will hit them so hard “they won’t know what hit them”. That comment did not help matters. The latest eruption of warfare started when the Baluchis made a rocket attack on a rally held by Musharraf in the town of Kohlu, last month. A day later, according to reports, insurgents opened fire on a helicopter carrying the Inspector General of the Frontier Corps Baluchistan, Major General Shujaat Zamir Dar and his deputy.
What followed was routine. Pakistan’s Frontier Corps, backed by helicopter gunships launched a full-scale attack on the insurgents and one can be assured that when the fighting ceases—if it ceases—there will be heavy Baluchi casualties. India, which usually maintains a discreet silence, last month, expressed concern over what is going on in Baluchistan only to be told by Pakistan to mind its own business.
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Pakistan’s Interior Minister Aftab Ahemed Sherpao charged India with “supporting the miscreants” and Pakistan’s former army chief Aslam Beg and a former chief of ISI, Gen Hamid Gel (retd) went further to charge both India and the US with fomenting trouble in Baluchistan.
“The terrorists who are fighting in Baluchistan are friends of India and foes of Pakistan. That is the only reason the Indian Government has expressed concern against military operations in the province,” Gul said.
In the first place, may it be said that India’s official comment has been the minimal. In the second place, there is no reason why India should not make any comment considering that Pakistan has been actively interfering with India’s internal affairs in Jammu and Kashmir since 1946. Indeed, though India has not been helping the Baluchi rebels with arms and equipment, it would be entirely within its rights considering what jihad forces have been doing in Jammu & Kashmir.
It is about time India made that clear to Islamabad. But it pays for Pakistan to make wild and vile charges against Delhi. Thus Musharraf himself told the TV Channel CNN-IBN that India was providing the Baluchi nationalist forces, which he said were “anti-government and anti-me”, with “financial support and support in kind”. Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, who is now leading the Baluchi insurgents, has ridiculed this.
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He told The Hindu in a telephonic interview: “What is the need for us to take anything from anyone? The weapons we are now using flowed into this region when the United States financed the jihad in Afghanistan. It was the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) which distributed them to Afghanistan, Iran, Jammu and Kashmir, and to us in Baluchistan.”
Apparently the ISI-distributed weapons are easy to get, besides being cheap in the bargain. The point, however, to be noted is that Baluchi tribal leaders are fighting on their own and don’t need Indian support. They have been fighting consistently in the past because they have a distinct culture and tradition and an autonomous history that does not permit Pakistan, in essence Punjabi, military dominance.
As in the case of former East Bengal, Baluchistan has no cultural affiliation with Pakistani Punjab; indeed Baluchis, resent the Punjabis’ domination and Islam is not and never has been a binding factor. Baluchistan, incidentally, constitutes 42 per cent of Pakistan’s landmass and if Baluchistan succeeds in winning independence, as did East Bengal, then it won’t be long before Sindhis, too, claim independence status.
And that would reduce Pakistan to a joke. Musharraf is acutely aware of it. But will the Baluchs succeed? If Stephen Cohen is to be believed “Baluchistan is an unlikely candidate for a successful separatist movement, even if there are grievances, real and imagined, against a Punjab-dominated state of Pakistan” because “it lacks a middle class, a modern leadership and the Baluchs are a tiny fraction (about 5 per cent) of Pakistan’s population, and even in their own province are faced with a growing Pashtun population”. Also, according to Cohen, “neither Iran nor Afghanistan shows any sign of encouraging Baluch separatism because such a movement might encompass their own Baluch population”.
Even worse, Baluchs have little domestic resources. In the circumstances it would make no sense for India to encourage Baluchi separation unless the idea is just to keep the Pakistan Army engaged. That by itself is not a bad idea. Indeed it should be prescribed tactic to tell Islamabad that interfering in the internal affairs of one’s neighbour is a game at which two can play. If Pakistan claims that Jammu and Kashmir has a right to autonomy if not independence, why should not Delhi insist that the same right cam also be claimed by Baluchistan and with greater justification? Meanwhile, what is clearly evident is that Jinnah’s Two Nation Theory stands entirely exposed. Think this over, General Musharraf.
Re: Will Baluchistan fighting lead to its separation?
Author make a valid point through Indian standpoint................
*In the first place, may it be said that India’s official comment has been the minimal. In the second place, there is no reason why India should not make any comment considering that Pakistan has been actively interfering with India’s internal affairs in Jammu and Kashmir since 1946. Indeed, though India has not been helping the Baluchi rebels with arms and equipment, it would be entirely within its rights considering what jihad forces have been doing in Jammu & Kashmir. *
Re: HERO'S OF BALOCHISTAN NAwAB MARRI,SARDAR MENGAL,NAwAB BUGHTI AND GHOUS BAKSH BIZENJO.
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The silence of the Western news agencies is particularly stunning and suggests a deal between them and President Pervez Musharraf’s government in Pakistan
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What a lod of ****. You cant do deasl with the media, maybe a newspapaer but not the whole media. Just shows what a crap journalist this is.
Re: Are Baluchis targeting Pakistani establishments or Punjabis?
But Waleed, that can only happen if all people are on a equal footing from the start. This is not the case in Pakistan.
Re: Are Baluchis targeting Pakistani establishments or Punjabis?
Agree with Walid.
Look Balochistan is being developed, Gwadar will bring loads of additional benefits. It will spur loads of additional business for the Baloch. You can be launching bombs everywhere and then say your exploiting becuase you dont let yourself get any help. Yes Baloch is your culture but your a part of Pakistan.
Re: Are Baluchis targeting Pakistani establishments or Punjabis?
wel if you have been to balochistan then you would no tbe saying this......in the name of pakistan they are being ignored and exploited......so how can they feel pakistani?
how can they feel pakistani when they are not consulted and have little input in their own way of life.......there is nothing wrong with considering yourself to be balochi, pashtun , punjabi because that is wat each and everyone of us IS......that is part of our cultural heritage which cannot be ignored........
balochistan is an ignored province.......no wonder they feel they are treated as colonial subjects.......something concrete must be done to make sure gas royalties benefit the average poor Baloch.......so they feel less likely to take up arms.......
Re: Are Baluchis targeting Pakistani establishments or Punjabis?
Look Balochistan is being developed, Gwadar will bring loads of additional benefits. It will spur loads of additional business for the Baloch. You can be launching bombs everywhere and then say your exploiting becuase you dont let yourself get any help. Yes Baloch is your culture but your a part of Pakistan.
WRONG......it will benefit non-Baloch predominantly.....most of the job will go to outsiders and those conected will prosper.......
i remember speaking to a Balochi ....he said he can understand why technical and some professional jobs will go to outsiders as the locals might not have such qualifications........what takes the biscuit is when unskilled work such as driving etc is given to outsiders all the way from punjab/nwfp/sindh......there are enough local people who can do such jobs but they are ignored.....
if gwadar is developed it will mean a massive influx of outsiders most likely Punjabies ......they could see their own way of life marginalised....no one wants that to happen tot heir own culture...
Re: HERO'S OF BALOCHISTAN NAwAB MARRI,SARDAR MENGAL,NAwAB BUGHTI AND GHOUS BAKSH BIZENJO.
FFS it's not even built yet and your already saying no jobs. How abut you apply for a job. It's not just driving. All of them people coming, drivers etc... need feeding, hotels, bed and breakfast, food, clothes, petrol etc.... you can make a mint if you put your head to it.You have to work for it not expect the goverment to make you a hotel for free and hand it over.
Re: Are Baluchis targeting Pakistani establishments or Punjabis?
The feudals deliberately kept their population illiterate for years. Last year they were bombing schools. You think a decent all-pure-“Baluchi” human capital is ever going to develop to support the huge infrastructural development taking place in that province?
Re: HERO’S OF BALOCHISTAN NAwAB MARRI,SARDAR MENGAL,NAwAB BUGHTI AND GHOUS BAKSH BIZENJO.
Wiat, wait, wait. Despite a busy schedule I’m going to lay out a workable plan for all heroes, villains and rats.
Listen carefully nicolas because it’s going to solve all your Pakistan related problems here, and The Hindu can stop interviewing Bugti wugti about ISI supplied weapons and arrange a telephonic interview with ULFA or some ‘militant’ Pakistani outfit when the arses of your bribe-accepting-parliamentarians get attacked next time. 
Balochistan: It was united states of Balochistan before partition. The states should be made autonomous again. Sui Northen and Sui Southern can supply natural gas to Iran and Afghanistan and Karachi. Gawadar belongs to the people of Gawadar not the sardars in the North. People have repeatedly talked about the threat of Punjabi swarms. We already have swarms there. Guess what! They are not Punjabi. They are Pashtoon swarms who have strayed away from their culture. Time to go back son! Balochistan belongs to the states of Blaochistan. Kalat for Kalatis. Sui for Bugi Wugtis. Gawadar for Makranis.
Sindh: The non-Sindhis (including rats) should go back to their cultures/regions. Rats are going to be the biggest beneficiaries. They always submit claims for bigger holes in their new lands. The industries located in Karachi should stop marketing their products in other densely populated provinces. It is exploitation. They must generate revenue by selling products to their own people or maybe superprosperous regions of Bangladesh or Assam. This way people in Sindh would be independent and wouldn’t raise the slogan of ‘Punjab kha gya’ because their son couldn’t pass the exam of matric or they were not up to the mark for a private job. A fresh Sindh defence force would have to be raised because all the violent rats would go back to their new holes.
Punjab: Non Punjabis including dark rats should go back to their respective cultures. They already have swarms of strange people in Islamabd/Lahore/Multan talking in strange languages. Time to go back to your roots son! The rivers flowing through Punjab are the property of Punjab. They should ensure that the water is fully utilized and more land is brought under cultivation especially in southern Punjab. To attain that objective more dams should be built. Punjabi army should come back to their roots.
NWFP: Hands off. Go back to Afghanistan and deal with Tajiks. Make sure you take away all the swarms from every part of the country. Living out of their natural habitat can be bad.
In return for my services I should be made United Nations Secretary General. I will invite some members here to New York and assign them to Sri Lanka desk to solve Tamil Tigers issue. 
A special new position would be created for nicolas at this board. He would be made copy-paste mod. He will receive 50 cents per copy/paste of The Hindu news relating to Assam.
Cheers!
Re: HERO'S OF BALOCHISTAN NAwAB MARRI,SARDAR MENGAL,NAwAB BUGHTI AND GHOUS BAKSH BIZENJO.
What a load of racist remarks. Look son welcome to Globolisation and you cant do fook all about it. Either wake up or die sleeping.
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It was united states of Balochistan before partition
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How many staes where their before partion? Your not a special case. Infact if you want independance you'll just end up as a poor state asking India for hand outs.