Help with MIL and SIL

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Yes, this goes on because women allow it and empower the in laws. Remember, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely! Men see that the wives can't do anything about it so they think why bother fighting with their parents about it.

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I am all about picking battles because that's what happens when you agar space with someone, but to go on and on just because the victim can't do anything is pathetic. It's like a boss who knows the employee can't get another job in a recession hit economy. Then the employee tries to appease the boss the same way, sweet talking and what not, just to survive and let the boss cool down! And then lives in fear of the next "outburst" and sure enough after a few days of peace, "boss" finds fault again!

And of course there is this obsession with keeping the marriage running no natter what, that contributes to it. No one is saying go and divorce at the first sign of discord between in laws and DIL but when no one will support you after some time your nerves will fray and u can't take if anymore!

My MIL once sat me down and told me she didnt think the cleaning done by me was up to her standards, and she felt the kitchen was rearranged and she didnt like it, she also said my FIL moans that his roti is not ready for when he comes home at 4pm. But then he would stroll in at 6pm and moan the rotis were reaheated. I was married for 2 months oh and my MIL was bed bound due to a knee replacement and me doing all her personal care also. I stood my ground and said all i do is wash clean and cook, she would mosn if a cup was left in the sink i go well those who leave it should clean up after themselves. My husband had an eye opener when he was home sick for a week abd saw how his parents actually speak to me or make demands and he stood up for me. But apart from that incident where she sat me down b moaned i would just suck it up and take it in one ear and out the other. U have to be firm and stand ur ground otherwise ur MIL will just nag constantly. Dont be rude just be firm and assertive

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Classic life1.

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I don't think divorce is the solution to this issue of hers but pleeeeeeeeease for the love of God stop saying things like this. Life is great if you want it to be...do what you want, when you want, how you want, answer to no one and take care of no one but yourself. Work, travel, meet people, go out, socialize, fun, fun, fun, etc...divorced life is basically pre-marital life like a single person...its FUN and its ALL about YOU. At least for me it was. So don't worry about practicality and for anyone who is worried about what life is like without a guy...please read this carefully: its FINE. Khushi insanon se nahin milti hai...apne aap se milti hai. Remember that.

To the OP: I think D6C said it best...you have to work on your husband...he is the key here and by work I don't mean talk to him about these issues. I mean you need to work on your relationship with him. How are you two together with each other? If you don't have a strong bond, love and connection, he won't feel the need to defend you or be there for you. He is the key. You have to bring him to the point where he sides with you...but that doesn't happen overnight.

Also, your MIL should be blatantly ignored...say nothing, respond to nothing, don't do battameezi, don't say a word...pretend as if nothing happened. Don't talk about it with your husband either. If she complains, let HER do the complaining. Let your SIL do all the hungama they want. You need to stop responding and only deal with your husband.

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OP, dear no one can help u. u have to be strong enough for urself, ur kids and for ur husband as well. Ignore ur in-laws as much as u can. If ur dont support u, then dnt make arguments. Just follow ur routine, offer ur prayers, read Quran and pay attention to ur house chores, ur kids and ur husband needs. ALLAH will definitely help. Ur in-laws are stressing u just becoz of ur family. relax, whenever u feel tired , u can share wd ur friends, here on GS.
Don't let anyone to break ur relation. One has to be strong dear.

read ayat No. 5 & 6 of surah Fateha on regular basis. ALLAH will help u.

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I don't see any difference between what you are saying and what I was saying. We both agree picking battles is important, and that walking away at the first sign of difficulty in a marriage is not the solution. I never said a marriage should be kept going no matter what - but I do strongly believe in the sanctity of marriage and the importance of keeping a relationship going as long as possible and as long as necessary.

We're saying the same thing - the only difference is I have suggested a **solution **to OP to ignore the fazool talk she hear's from her MIL as it's not worth getting worked up for, whereas you haven't suggested anything.

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Reha, in my experience (my own mother, widow at 40 with 4 young children, a cousin with a toddler, and a friend with a toddler,) I haven’t seen their lives to be fun, enjoyable, or practical. Maybe you got lucky in a sense that you were in the US, had support and were educated enough to support yourself. Here in the US, u can ignore the community if need be. BUT in Pakistan things aren’t the same or easy. My mother had to run around in Karachi during her iddahat to get work done. It’s been 20 years, and she is still getting the run around in Pakistan every time she goes to collect my dad’s pension. She couldn’t get a job to support us in Pakistan and once we moved to the US she worked two jobs to support us…NOT every fun. Each of the three mothers I have mentioned above works full time and has the added responsibility to raise their kids all by themselves (which is NOT easy). My cousin, who got a divorce from her husband in Pakistan, doesn’t get any child support. First he denied that the child was his, a DNA test proved it was. He lied on paper that he is just a laborer at this factory, when he actually is the owner…SO she got nothing (wonderful system they have in Pakistan.) You can’t deny that the practical life isn’t though for a signal mother regardless of the country they are in…and to add the desi community to the mix…it’s NOT easy. You might be happy out of a bad situation, but the life won't be easy afterward. I am NOT saying continue living in an abusive situation to avoid a divorce...BUT pick your battles and as you agree with me, divorce is not the solution for OP’s situation.

To your other comment, if all the happiness is supposed to come from yourself, then why look for a life partner? Why look for love? Why have children?

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if a partner is causing more misery than happiness then is it a good idea to stay with him ? i am not talking about OP, i dont know how happy or unhappy her marriage is, but in general.
marriage is great for those who have found a spouse that makes them happy and completes them. unfortunately, many women/men dont get that. sometimes its constant aggravation and misery. i have personally seen too many unhappy marriages just for the sake of being married and divorce is not an option for alot of desis, not just for financial reasons, but the stigma in our society is so horrendous. that really needs to change. we need to value ourselves a bit more.

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Bella88 you didn't read my comment right before my questions. " I am NOT saying continue living in an abusive situation to avoid a divorce...BUT pick your battles and as you agree with me, divorce is not the solution for OP’s situation."

Reha said: "Khushi insanon se nahin milti hai...apne aap se milti hai." I was asking about this comment.

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thats what I was talking about as well. khushi apne aap se milti hai, i agree with that. it might sound selfish but it really isn't. our life should be about us as well, not just others.

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^ and i said i agree with you...that if the living situation is horrible, get out of it..." Not sure what's confusing you. My question to Reha and to the reader was...if happiness is obtained only thru self, then why seek a partner?

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I can see and understand your points about life being very hard for divorced/widowed women in Pakistan. My advice is mainly for for women who are refusing to walk away because they feel like without a man is impossible. Its not.

Happiness DOES come from within rabia...if you're not happy with yourself, you cannot be much use to a partner or children.

I also don't believe in needing someone to complete you because we are complete human beings by birth. We find partners to compliment us but not to complete us. We look for love because companionship is something we all crave. But to make it a crutch is wrong...our girls are raised thinking they need a guy. They will never need a guy. They will only need themselves. If you meet someone who can love you, be there for you and support you in life to do whatever it is the two of you want...that's when I'd want to marry. Not to have kids, to feel better about myself, to think a man can make me happy, etc.

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I don't get how you can make comments like that. In my opinion it goes against the basic ethos of Islam itself. I mean, Islam places so much emphasis on the importance of marriage and a family unit. I completely disagree that you don't need marriage to complete you - you DO! I'm not saying a woman can't get a job, raise kids on her own, look after her family etc - but why does she have to do all that if Allah has assigned roles to both sexes to make our lives harmonious and so that we can support each other in what we each do?

Yes, if one is forced to, then one CAN live independently, and it's NOT the end of the world to be doing so. But to belittle the importance and sanctity of marriage as if it's a custom rather than a crucial rite of passage in our religion is kind of dismissive don't you think?

And regarding your point that we are born complete: doesn't Allah say in the Quran that everything has been created in pairs?

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^Of course it's important but I wouldn't say marriage is crucial in Islam.. If it was it wouldn't just be sunnah, it would be fardh imo

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What I was referring to was it's Sunnah - so for want of a better word I said crucial. I just mean the institution of marriage has a high status in Islam so I don't see the purpose in having this 'I can live without a man' type of attitude. We know you can live without a man - but that's not how Allah intended it, is it?

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I can say it because I lived it and its true. Life goes on and on and on. Until you meet the person who Allah swt meant for you to be with (IF indeed you were meant to have a partner in this life), life should NEVER be lived in wait or expectation to meet that guy. Its not beneficial nor productive.

Marriage is SUNNAH for a reason and its not fardh...its recommended but not mandated and there are reasons for that...Allah swt does NOT expect all of us to marry and live conventional lives. Not everyone will fall into the equation of marriage at 22, kids at 23, etc etc etc.

I don't dismiss marriage...I make it a realistic and not a holy rite of passage into adulthood or mandatory to live a happy life. Reality is that marriage is great but its NOT a command. A command is where I could see your points making sense but its not.

One things I've noticed is that married people usually know more married people than unmarried. They prefer to make friends with families like themselves and that's great.

But there IS a world out there FULL of people who are not married, don't have kids, divorced with kids and without kids, widowed, etc. Some of them might marry, some might never marry. It is almost...ignorant and cruel to ignore this glaringly real group of people. To pretend as if they don't exist without the partnership of a man.

This pressure of us HAVING to be married in order to go through this holy rite of passage puts a lot of negativity in us girls. Until we find a suitable match, we're not exactly sought after company you know. I know this because I've lived it, seen it and if I hadn't found the right person I probably would not have gotten married again at all. I didn't feel any need for it. Before my first marriage, I hardly knew a single person who had gotten divorced. But afterwards, its like a dam opened up and they're everywhere...just silent and hoping no one notices them. Why though? Why the hesitance and embarrassment that you're not married? What is there to be ashamed about? Society's expectations? I make up society and I say marriage is not a mandate so it should not be shown as such.

I don't know ANY woman who wants to work herself to the bone to feed her kids but REALITY is that many women have to...to make them feel as if they're just doing it to prove a point at the expense of their families is...well...never mind.

Also, by saying these things, I don't rebel against Islam...I have actually found SO much peace, strength, comfort and love in it that I stopped feeling like I had to go somewhere else. Life becomes much better once you stop relying on things, people and stuff to make you happy. I support our religion and what it has to offer us...ALL of us...not just the married ones.