Hello Ladies..please pay attention...PD has a question for you girls

[hareem01]

Re: Hello Ladies..please pay attention…PD has a question for you girls

I wouldn’t allow but I wouldn’t opt for divorce either, alsoit doesn’t mean every other muslim woman on planet earth has to agree with me…this practice has worked out for so many in Malaysia as well as Middle Eastern countries. I know one family in Pakistan where the two wives lived peacefully under one roof, the second wife was older and a widow so I wouldn’t apply my “civilised first world standard” on others and wouldn’t shun them if it works out for them.

Btw, I don’t know why is this in news, this is nothing new and a fatwa is just an opinion, that’s all.

[Deeba1234]

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^I think it can definitely work out for some people.. My ex-sil’s uncle had two wives and they seemed to get on fine..

What’s irritating to me is people like the maulana making it seem like “good” Muslim wives should put up with it if they’re not happy..

[SID_NY]

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Yar when Molana is always so sure to get 72 wives (or hoor) in Jannah, why are they compromising on 4 in this world?!

[OYMWA]

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If he has more than one wife in this world, it is almost impossible for him to go to jannah. It is not just about sex and time spent with wives, but also about being equitable between the kids you sire through them. And we all know how far removed we are from sahaba to be able to stay fair.

[hareem01]

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@OneYourMomWarnedAbt

If he has more than one wife in this world, it is almost impossible for him to go to jannah. It is not just about sex and time spent with wives, but also about being equitable between the kids you sire through them. And we all know how far removed we are from sahaba to be able to stay fair.

A scholar once said, a man with two or more wives is either very good, or very bad. lol

[phoenixdesi]

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@Theorist

Could be done in the Dark Ages, not today. There is zero protection for a woman who is married to a man in multiple marriages. You could argue against it but I can throw 99 cases where injustice is done vs one you will throw at me. Women are not disposable objects. It’s hilarious to me that everywhere scholars and molvis preach that women are not sex objects yet that’s exactly what they get used for. You want to be kind to women? Teach them to be independent.

apa jee…i was just pointing out that our religion allows men to have 4 wives at the same time…this is a reality as long as you are muslim.

but hey i am not defending this practice by any means..as a matter of fact i am against it and i feel that this is not fair to woman.

[Theorist]

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@phoenixdesi

apa jee…i was just pointing out that our** religion allows men to have 4 wives at the same time…this is a reality as long as you are muslim. **

but hey i am not defending this practice by any means..as a matter of fact i am against it and i feel that this is not fair to woman.

..and therefore, I am not one.

[phoenixdesi]

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@OneYourMomWarnedAbt

Sorry not a girl, but here is a reference from quran.

Surah an-Nisa ( quran 4:3 )
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

thx…so in quran the reference to multiple marriages is in reference to orphan girls…more from a societal goodwill standpoint and not for physical pleasure only

but we also know and as pointed by many female posters in this thread, no matter what is the cause of multiple marriages, women feel absolutely uncomfortable about the concept.

[phoenixdesi]

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@Theorist

..and therefore, I am not one.

ok well…lol

you should have read the first post where i said

*"i am interested in knowing **if muslim women **are really OK if their husbands have more wives even if he treats them equally. ..or will you leave him if he marries someone else ?
*

[Theorist]

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^Born and raised in a muslim family; married into a conservative Muslim family. I think I get to have a say because I am surrounded by people who think like that and impose their ideas on others. If only they knew the real me…

[phoenixdesi]

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@SID_NY

Yar when Molana is always so sure to get 72 wives (or hoor) in Jannah, why are they compromising on 4 in this world?!

they can have 72 here as well…but in sets of 4. You can keep divorcing and marrying new ones but at any given time no more than 4. That is what middle eastern men do.

[phoenixdesi]

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@Theorist

^Born and raised in a muslim family. Also, married into a conservative Muslim family. I think I get to have a say because it affects me.

ok… got it. appreciate the info.

i dont know how to say this but pls be careful in revealing info. we have a lot of religious trolls on this website. you dont want to come acorss as murtid. that is all…i am just saying it for your safety.

[OYMWA]

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@phoenixdesi

thx…so in quran the reference to multiple marriages is in reference to orphan girls…more from a societal goodwill standpoint and not for physical pleasure only

Yes. Marriage is not just about sex. Reducing it to sex and pleasure is disingenuous. It is about rights and responsibilities.

[Sara516]

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Forget second marriages, is no one at all concerned about it being OK to marry a 9 year old girl? Sickening

[Southie]

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How many Apa jis PD have?

[diwana]

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@phoenixdesi

**this man Molana Sheerani is a typical mullah but lets remember that in principal Islam does allow man to have 4 wives at the same time..yes he shd treat them equally but i am interested in knowing if muslim women are really OK if their husbands have more wives even if he treats them equally. ..or will you leave him if he marries someone else ?

so that is my number 1 question

2nd question…say if you allow him to marry because Islam allows him, how will you determine that he is indeed doing justice? seems to be unbelievably difficult task..you will be jealous when he will be spending nite with the 2nd wife and will never be happy..i never really understood this justice part. **

Muslim women cannot object to husbands’ marriages: CII chief - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

                                         **[Muslim women cannot object to husbands’ marriages: CII chief](http://www.dawn.com/news/1139597/muslim-women-cannot-object-to-husbands-marriages-cii-chief)**

         By [Kalbe Ali](http://www.dawn.com/authors/298/dawnkalbeali)
         Updated about 9 hours ago
       
     
   
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           Maulana Mohammad Khan Sherani.— File photo




                           ISLAMABAD: Chairman of the Council of Islamic Ideology  (CII) Maulana Mohammad Khan Sheerani has said a Muslim woman cannot  object to the second or subsequent marriages of her husband.

Presiding over a meeting of the council here on Tuesday, he said a woman could not demand divorce if her husband married a second, third or fourth time.
He said Islam had given the women the right to separate from her husband, but another marriage could not be a valid ground for doing so.
The council discussed the relevant section of the Muslim Divorce Act, 1939, and observed that it was against Sharia.
We want the government to repeal this section, Maulana Sheerani said.
[HR][/HR] Maulana Sheerani says Islam gives a woman right to seperation, but second marriage of husband is not a valid ground

[HR][/HR] A woman can seek divorce under various circumstances and Clause (F) of Section 2 of the Act says: “If he has more than one wife, does not treat her equitably in accordance with the injunctions of the Holy Quran.”
Later talking to newsmen, the CII chief said the law needed amendment. The woman could seek separation if she was treated with inequality or cruelty, he said.
Talking about child marriage, he said nikah was justified only if it had been solemnised by the father or the grandfather of the girl in good faith and not as part of a ritual, but “rukhsati before attaining the age of 18 years is not allowed in Islam”.
He said if a man was jailed for seven years, it could not be a valid reason for separation because the sentence could be condoned well before that period.
On May 22 this year, the council had ruled that a girl as young as nine years of age is eligible for marriage if the signs of puberty are visible.
Maulana Sheerani had said at that time that the concept of minimum age of marriage, which is 18 years under the law, was not in accordance with Islam.
“As per the Islamic point of view marriage age is nine years for those girls who have visible signs of puberty and the same is 12 years for boys, but they both become eligible for marriage at the age of 15 years,” he had announced five months ago.
Tuesday’s CII meeting was the fourth this year to have focused on marriage laws.
The meeting also reviewed various laws, including the Protection of Pakistan Act, the National Security Policy, the code of conduct to prevent sectarian terrorism and sex education in the curriculum.
On March 10 this year, the council noted that the laws regarding second marriage by a man in the presence of the first wife were against Sharia.
“Sharia allows men to have more than one wife and we demanded the government to amend the relevant laws where a person has to seek prior permission from the existing wife / wives,” the CII chief had said in the meeting.
Maulana Sheerani, who is also an MNA of JUI-F, had told media after that meeting that the CII had suggested to the government to amend the marriage laws as Sharia has clearly defined provisions of up to four marriages by a man and this was easy to understand and follow.
Published in Dawn, October 22nd, 2014

What’s typical Mullah? Does that not sound like stereotyping?

Did you even read the red part you posted before acting like a troll and stirring up and inciting so called and wannabe liberalized women?

Did you want to show you also live outside PA forum/WA forum once in a while? JK

The divorce request from a woman can be made on any ground in Islam and that does include if he does not treat her in equality or respect or if she does not like him.

How much more freedom these women want?

Obviously those women who are staying in marriage and being the first or second wives have no problem enough to ask for divorce and the answers you will get most like from those who are not.

So what is the result of the question?

Nothing brings nothing.

Personally: One woman can be headache enough these days, why wish for another wife. Again Kidding.

[StrangeOne]

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@diwana

What’s typical Mullah? Does that not sound like stereotyping?

Did you even read the red part you posted before acting like a troll and stirring up and inciting so called and wannabe liberalized women?

Did you want to show you also live outside PA forum/WA forum once in a while? JK

The divorce request from a woman can be made on any ground in Islam and that does include if he does not treat her in equality or respect or if she does not like him.

How much more freedom these women want?

Obviously those women who are staying in marriage and being the first or second wives have no problem enough to ask for divorce and the answers you will get most like from those who are not.

So what is the result of the question?

Nothing brings nothing.

Personally: One woman can be headache enough these days, why wish for another wife. Again Kidding.

I’m now quite certain you know nothing about Pakistan. Have you ever been there? #seriousquestion](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=seriousquestion)

[phoenixdesi]

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@diwana

What’s typical Mullah? Does that not sound like stereotyping?

Did you even read the red part you posted before acting like a troll and stirring up and inciting so called and wannabe liberalized women?

Did you want to show you also live outside PA forum/WA forum once in a while? JK

The divorce request from a woman can be made on any ground in Islam and that does include if he does not treat her in equality or respect or if she does not like him.

How much more freedom these women want?

Obviously those women who are staying in marriage and being the first or second wives have no problem enough to ask for divorce and the answers you will get most like from those who are not.

So what is the result of the question?

Nothing brings nothing.

Personally: One woman can be headache enough these days, why wish for another wife. Again Kidding.

and did you read any of my posts? I never said that muslim woman cannot make the divorce request or Islam stops her from divorce if he does not treat her in equality or respect or if she does not like him.

As a matter of fact, I categorically said in my very first post that in principal Islam does allow man to have 4 wives at the same time..and yes I understand that he shd treat them equally otherwise woman can ask for divorce* but** i am interested in knowing if a muslim women is OK if her husband has multiple wives or will she leave him even if her husband treats all of his wives equally and with respect.**..

and i then asked the ladies that if you allow him to marry another woman because Islam allows him, how will you determine that he is indeed doing justice? seems to be unbelievably difficult task..you will be jealous when he will be spending nite with the 2nd wife and will never be happy..i never really understood this justice part. *

getting personal… calling people troll, so-called wanna-be liberalized, or how much more freedom these women want is totally unnecessary…you can debate in a civilized way as well. thx

[Southie]

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The correct short form is

tnx

[diwana]

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@phoenixdesi

Ok thx ladies… so from what i am hearing, women in principal cannot stand the idea of sharing their men regardless of their husbands’ ability to do justice among wives

and if that is true, what is your opinion of this ruling of islam allowing 4 marriages?

is it mentioned in quran somewhere that a man can marry 4 women? if so, we cannot change it but we need to make sure we do justice among our wives. PERIOD

but if it is not in quran, dont you think that we need to change this Islamic ruling through ijtihad ijmah/qiyas? I feel it is not fair to woman that a man can have more than one wife at the same time. When this ruling came, there were far more women than men because so many men died in wars. That is not true anymore.

@phoenixdesi

apa jee…i was just pointing out that our religion allows men to have 4 wives at the same time…this is a reality as long as you are muslim.

but hey i am not defending this practice by any means..as a matter of fact i am against it and i feel that this is not fair to woman.

@phoenixdesi

they can have 72 here as well…but in sets of 4. You can keep divorcing and marrying new ones but at any given time no more than 4. That is what middle eastern men do.

@phoenixdesi

and did you read any of my posts? I never said that muslim woman cannot make the divorce request or Islam stops her from divorce if he does not treat her in equality or respect or if she does not like him.

As a matter of fact, I categorically said in my very first post that in principal Islam does allow man to have 4 wives at the same time..and yes I understand that he shd treat them equally otherwise woman can ask for divorce*** but i am interested in knowing if a muslim women is OK if her husband has multiple wives or will she leave him even if her husband treats all of his wives equally and with respect…**

and i then asked the ladies that if you allow him to marry another woman because Islam allows him, how will you determine that he is indeed doing justice? seems to be unbelievably difficult task..you will be jealous when he will be spending nite with the 2nd wife and will never be happy..i never really understood this justice part. *

getting personal… calling people troll, so-called wanna-be liberalized, or how much more freedom these women want is totally unnecessary…you can debate in a civilized way as well. thx

All thorughout you disagreed with what is said and allowed in Islam.

You got few answers and agreed with them since that is what you wanted to hear.

What I said is that you are asking wrong crowd. You are making judgment based on few answers to satisfy what you repeated said you want including disagreement to what is allowed in Quran.

There is no uncivil statement in my post above.

Ask those who are still married with one or more wives of a man living happily and then come back with their answers please with a proof of what you disagree with and why.

Until then your question and judgment has no value.