Hazrat Isa A.S.

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Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.

@Mr.Popat

Why are you assuming that im done? There are many verses so far that i havent mentioned. All i asked you is to give your opinion about the verse i mentioned. There are few questions that you should really ask yourself about the verses above. You emphasized more on ‘you took me up’, but do you know which arabic word in that verse you’re translating as ‘took me up’. It is the word ‘tawaffi’. If i were to give you 5/6 more verses from Quran using that word, can you translate those for me as ‘took/take me up’? Lets try this.. shall we?

Surah Baqrah 234 , 240
Surah Al Imran 193
Surah An nisa 97
Surah Yousaf 101.

I can provide you more than that , but lets just suffice to that for now. If you’re sincere about debate, and really are looking to know the truth, then please do look into the verses where the word tawaffi/ tawaffana is used, the same word/phrase which you translated as ‘you took me up’. Please translate the same way for the verses i mentioned. Thanks

Now, that was that. Lets review the verses again. The conversation between jesus(as) and Allah in the verse is going to happen on the day of judgement. He(as) will say , that he was a witness over them as long as he was among them.. not after. He(as) is not aware of what his followers are following. Why wont Jesus(as) say that I just went back to them and told them what they should be believing? As far as your translation of ‘took me up’ , refer to the verses i provided. Also, do explain what does ‘took me up’ refer to? bodily or His(as) soul ?

Again, the word used there is tawaffi. Please do look into the meaning of the word and not just blindly take it as ‘raise thee to myself’ or ‘took me up’. If by raise you , you mean to heavens, then can you kindly please tell me since when did Allah say hes only in heavens ? was Allah not where Jesus(as) was being crucified ? Allah takes away people’s soul and not body… taken to him… utha liya geya… dead… spirit gone to heaven etc.. It is the righteousness that reaches Allah, righteousness of spirit, and not the body. Allah is not at one particular place. You are limiting Allah’s quality of omnipresent.

yea, so there have been messengers before him who has gone through the same as Muhammad PBUH have (death). The verse is pretty self explanatory.

I find your bold statement very fascinating. Allah can and has broken seemingly natural laws. Natural laws which you think are broken are mentioned in Quran, therefore, they are there… I find it very weird that you’re convinced that if so and so can happen, then so can the ascension, when there is no mention of any such event anywhere in Quran. I beg to differ that who makes laws cannot break them too. I dont see authorities making laws and regulations in the world who dont have to abide by their own laws. Do you know anyone ? No, im not comparing Allah’s power with earthly power of people but even Allah says that ‘thou wilt not find any change in our way’ (17:77).

In my post I said, translation has been taken in view of hadiths also.

Also, translation “if possible” for ascension then this becomes moot point. One group takes it as A and other takes it as B.

You are saying ‘ascension’ cannot be the meaning of the word, lots of translators do. They base this meaning of other evidences like hadiths.

Now you can reject those hadiths to fit the meaning of your liking that is up to you.

Last part of my post was the answer to the argument that Allah somehow is bound to natural laws.

Allah CAN do anything. Who are we to say “Allah cannot break natural laws?” Allah has broken many what we call ‘laws of nature’ as you know.