Hazrat Isa A.S.

Mr.Popat · January 17, 2012, 6:15pm

Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.

So simply put you are done. You did not mention 3:55.

OK.

Here is what you mentioned.

005.117 "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

Al-Qur’an, 005.116-117 (Al-Maeda )

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me – to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. (Surah 5:116-117)

Why are you assuming that im done? There are many verses so far that i havent mentioned. All i asked you is to give your opinion about the verse i mentioned. There are few questions that you should really ask yourself about the verses above. You emphasized more on ‘you took me up’, but do you know which arabic word in that verse you’re translating as ‘took me up’. It is the word ‘tawaffi’. If i were to give you 5/6 more verses from Quran using that word, can you translate those for me as ‘took/take me up’? Lets try this.. shall we?

Surah Baqrah 234 , 240
Surah Al Imran 193
Surah An nisa 97
Surah Yousaf 101.

I can provide you more than that , but lets just suffice to that for now. If you’re sincere about debate, and really are looking to know the truth, then please do look into the verses where the word tawaffi/ tawaffana is used, the same word/phrase which you translated as ‘you took me up’. Please translate the same way for the verses i mentioned. Thanks

Now, that was that. Lets review the verses again. The conversation between jesus(as) and Allah in the verse is going to happen on the day of judgement. He(as) will say , that he was a witness over them as long as he was among them.. not after. He(as) is not aware of what his followers are following. Why wont Jesus(as) say that I just went back to them and told them what they should be believing? As far as your translation of ‘took me up’ , refer to the verses i provided. Also, do explain what does ‘took me up’ refer to? bodily or His(as) soul ?

There are many translations of 3:55 which do state him AS being raised. And many which use the translation as “ending His AS term on earth and causing the return”. Some use the term as ‘death’. But not the majority.

3:55 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

3:55 when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

Again, the word used there is tawaffi. Please do look into the meaning of the word and not just blindly take it as ‘raise thee to myself’ or ‘took me up’. If by raise you , you mean to heavens, then can you kindly please tell me since when did Allah say hes only in heavens ? was Allah not where Jesus(as) was being crucified ? Allah takes away people’s soul and not body… taken to him… utha liya geya… dead… spirit gone to heaven etc.. It is the righteousness that reaches Allah, righteousness of spirit, and not the body. Allah is not at one particular place. You are limiting Allah’s quality of omnipresent.

Same has ocurred with 3:144.

3:144 Muhammad is no more than a Rasul, surely the Rasuls before him have already passed away. If then he dies or be killed, will you turn upon your heels?…

But

Other translations which seem more appropriate do not say “already passed away”.

3-144 ‘And Muhammad is but a messenger, there have been messengers before him. So, if he dies or is killed, would you turn back on your heels?’

Many other arguments like natural laws of life are made and examples are given such as Allah does not claim to break the rules in some specific verses like in Surah Rahman. But those arguments are very weak.

**Allah CAN and HAS broken seemingly natural laws. One who makes laws can break them too.
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I think if someone takes hadiths also in view and read the translations by majority scholars, one can see there is no real evidence of ‘death’ per se of Issa AS by Quran.

yea, so there have been messengers before him who has gone through the same as Muhammad PBUH have (death). The verse is pretty self explanatory.

I find your bold statement very fascinating. Allah can and has broken seemingly natural laws. Natural laws which you think are broken are mentioned in Quran, therefore, they are there… I find it very weird that you’re convinced that if so and so can happen, then so can the ascension, when there is no mention of any such event anywhere in Quran. I beg to differ that who makes laws cannot break them too. I dont see authorities making laws and regulations in the world who dont have to abide by their own laws. Do you know anyone ? No, im not comparing Allah’s power with earthly power of people but even Allah says that ‘thou wilt not find any change in our way’ (17:77).