Hazrat Isa A.S.

psyah · March 2, 2012, 11:20pm

Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.

Peace again psyah,
Thank you for your continuous contribution in this thread. I do understand that I keep asking you same questions and without sorting out one thing, we tend to jump to another issue. Anyhow, I also do understand that due to such a long debate in this very thread, you may be losing interest just as I am. Despite that, I will try replying to you in a very short post, so you actually do read the reply.

Thats right. Neither of these 3 words i.e: body, alive, sky/heaven is present in the verse which is famously known as a verse that is said to be in favor of Jesus(as)'s ascension. Infact, no where will you find in Quran or hadith any prophet or any ordinary human being going up to heavens alive physically. Not even 1 verse. In the contrary, we do find messenger of Allah denying the request of kuffar that he cannot go up to heavens to get a book for them to read.

Thank you. Just 2 ways of Allah taking one up is mentioned in Quran. Sleep and death. Quran is silent in any other possibility, therefore** if Jesus(as) was a human being, then the same rule applies to Him as well**. Hes been taken up either in sleep or in death. No other possibility allowed by Qur’an.

Yes indeed. The first ijmaah of sahaba(may peace be upon them all) was on the verse that Hazrat Abu Bakr(ra) recited infront of Hazrat Umar(ra) and all other sahaba present. The verse was and I quote :

Also, the words of Abu Bakr(ra) were that if you worshiped Muhammad PBUH, then know that He is dead.. but if you worship Allah, then know he is ever alive and death does not come on him. We see not a single sahaba saying anything regarding Isa(as) at that time.

the ahadith is clear in the matter of the appearance of Jesus of bani israel and Jesus who will be in the ummah of Muslims. Unless you show me my error otherwise.

Yes indeed. He (as) will be a follower of Muhammad PBUH. Jesus of bani israel still does not qualify to be an ordinary follower of Muslim shariyah, as such a request was denied to Moses(as), let alone be a prophet of this ummah. Yes, jesus(as) has been called Prophet, but the prophet who was sent to bani israel was only for bani israel.. I do believe history repeats itself and** the verse where allah says that you will not see any change in my law also applies here too**. Prophet Isa(as) will be rejected in the same way all other prophets had been rejected and mocked at. You will not tolerate Jesus(as) telling you the correct interpretation of Qur’an and hence will declare him as someone outside of shariya, or outside of Islam, even if hes following Islam to his fullest.

Either you are not following the holy book or I am not. Because there is no other reason why we should have disagreements if our standard of debate is the Holy Quran. I see no reason why we should even disagree to anything that make sense, especially if its from the Holy Quran.

Peace Mr.Popat

I disagree with the parts in bold and the responses can be found in previous posts.