Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.
Mr.Popat I read that part in bold and I don’t know whether I should laugh or cry … or bash my head on the wall … Take a deep breath and see why “Dajjal cannot mean falsehood” - because if falsehood means Dajjal that means Dajjal is still alive and if Isa (AS) has come already then Dajjal should be destroyed by now … So we either conclude that Dajjal is not falsehood but a person who is a liar, or we conclude that Isa (AS) has not come yet or we conclude that neither Isa (AS) has come nor Dajjal has been destroyed yet.
The video - I like it … I especially want to know where they got the music back tracking for it … In summary there are three similarities being levelled against the mainstream Muslims with the Jews and hence concluding that we are mistaken like they have been.
aJ) Jews believe in a physical appearance of Elijah before the Messiah hence they reject Isa (AS)
aM) Muslims believe in a physical appearance of Isa (AS) hence we reject your Promised Messiah
bJ) Jews claim that there will be no disbelief
bM) Muslims claim that Islam will be everywhere
cJ) Jews believe there will be a period of lasting peace resulting from the Messiah
cM) Muslims believe there will be a period of lasting peace resulting from the Messiah
Hence you conclude that since Jews were mistaken about Isa (AS) we Muslims are mistaken about your promised Messiah.
First of all … this is an inductive argument - it is not logically water tight … secondly, the rules and standards by which Jews were looking for their Messiah are by no means the same as ours … thirdly, they were right to ask Isa (AS) about whether he was the Messiah and he (AS) said … “No” … it is because he (AS) knew that he was not THAT messiah spoken of to deliver the believers … well not at that time of the first coming … He had not come to fulfil the prophecy - but it was him indeed as a person (AS) in person.
Next there is no other way to re-interpret the idea that “there will be no ambiguity about Isa (AS) that Islam will be in all places” - This is understood categorically “The Kingdom of God on Earth” is the global order of Islam being established. There is no other way to reinterpret this - yes there will be kufr but everyone will know about the Messiah and recognise his truth.
Lastly we both believe in the lasting peace … however, none of these are direct reasons why the Jews rejected Isa (AS) and why we reject your Promised Messiah … You are applying the logical fallacy of if two people share some traits then they are the same in all their traits. There is no reason why Jews can’t be wrong about Isa (AS) and us Muslims are right about your Promised Messiah … We have certain criteria to look for, and none of them were fulfilled and at least we look to see a reduction of problems and fitnah in the world after the coming of your Messiah and rather we see an increase of bloodshed - 2 world wars, the ending of the Caliphate, the fitnah in the promised land, propaganda at its height and Muslims heavily persecuted … if Mahdi/Masih was our only chance and your claim that he has come and gone - then for sure he came too early, because now is worse than it has ever been.
The age of the end of tyrrant Muslim rulers is only just beginning to topple … Furthermore - our hadith show that when Isa (AS) comes part of his mission is to clarify and unify us about him … this has not happened at all - people are more disunited since your Messiah has left - your group has not grown enough to cater for the level of disunity … Rather when the true Messiah comes all of this will end because he will clarify it for us … in his own life time. Even if it is not in his life time and we go by your interpretation then at least the state should be getting better - but it has gotten worse …
But yeah I like that video … because of that musical back tracking …