Hazrat Isa A.S.

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.

@psyah

Peace Mr.Popat

You’ve done it again … LOL you have compromised your own belief system. The basis behind the two descriptions of Isa (AS) is that you assert that the reddish description was the first Isa (AS) and the brownish description is the new Isa (AS) trying to claim that they were two different people … but now you say it is even more clear - yes indeed - but not in your favour … The only valid description of Isa (AS) ibn Maryam (AS) … is that he is wheatish in complexion and there is never a second description but the translations have come about in a variety of ways.

I am very much certain about what I believe in.. and Im not believing something knowing its wrong. I have evidence from Quran and ahadith to prove my point. You on the other hand have assumptions after assumptions and your claim of being in the majority being on the right path.

Again, you dont get where Im coming from, do you? I posted 7 ahadith in urdu, in full.. one Jesus was when muhammad pbuh went to miraj and saw him, he pbuh described him of reddish complexion.

the hadith you provided are in my favour indeed. Even in that, muhammad pbuh saw a person of brown complexion. The hadith does not refute the other hadith where muhammad pbuh saw jesus of nazareth, but rather confirming that the other jesus who will come in my ummah, will be of brown complexion. Such an easy thing you are having trouble understanding. Read the ahadith one more time please, and then read the hadith you posted. Jesus that was seen on miraj was reddish in color ( see hadith in previous page ), the jesus who will kill dajjal will be of brown complexion.. (again, see your own hadith u posted and ahadith i posted). not just 1 time was jesus of nazareth described as reddish but 3/4 times.

The primary use of rafa’a is not according to me - it is according to the lexicon which is in accordance with Arabic.

To illustrate the Qur’an’s use of this … we can go to Surah Bakarah verse 63

And [recall] when We took your covenant, [O Children of Israel, to abide by the Torah] and We raised over you the mount, [saying], “Take what We have given you with determination and remember what is in it that perhaps you may become righteous.”

Verse 93

And [recall] when We took your covenant and raised over you the mount, [saying], “Take what We have given you with determination and listen.” They said [instead], “We hear and disobey.” And their hearts absorbed [the worship of] the calf because of their disbelief. Say, “How wretched is that which your faith enjoins upon you, if you should be believers.”

And to show that I’m not hiding anything I can show you examples of the allegorical raf’a … which is always used in the Qur’an with the word darajaat …

Those messengers - some of them We caused to exceed others. Among them were those to whom Allah spoke, and He raised some of them in degree. And We gave Jesus, the Son of Mary, clear proofs, and We supported him with the Pure Spirit. If Allah had willed, those [generations] succeeding them would not have fought each other after the clear proofs had come to them. But they differed, and some of them believed and some of them disbelieved. And if Allah had willed, they would not have fought each other, but Allah does what He intends.

It is opinion of the Ahl-us-Sunnah that Isa (AS) was raised in status by being physically raised one complementing the other.

The word rafaa has been discussed in accordance to Quran. There are verses and ahadith using that word which means raising ones soul. When the word raf’aa is used with someone living, in Quran’s case, us, humans.. then it means raising ones rank/status… I see no reason why you should disagree to that.