Hazrat Isa A.S.

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.

@psyah

Peace Mr.Popat

Ok … this verse that you have quoted 48:23 has been given this tafsir from Ibn Kathir …

That has been the way of Allah already with those who passed away before. And you will not find any change in the way of Allah.) means this is the way Allah deals with His creation. Whenever faith and disbelief meet at any distinguishing juncture, Allah gives victory to faith over disbelief, raises high truth and destroys falsehood. For instance, Allah the Exalted helped His loyal faithful supporters during the battle of Badr and they defeated His idolator enemies, even though the Muslims were few in num- ber and lightly armed, while the idolators were large in number and heavily armed.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - Had Makkah’s Disbelievers fought at Al-Hudaybiyyah, They would have retreated in Defeat

Yeah, so that has been the way of Allah all along. He will give victory to the righteous.. it takes time, but surely falsehood vanishes away when truth appears. You will also not see any change in Allah’s sunnah.. in terms of His creation, in terms of giving everyone death. He has created everything in order and everything is running according to His plans, and you will not see any change in that.

16:12 And He has pressed into service for you the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; and the stars toohave been pressed into service by His command. Surely, in that are Signs for a people who make use of their reason

21:33 And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each gliding along in its orbit

I provided verses in terms of how Allah creates His creation. Weakness, then strength and then weakness and old age again. Such is the way of Allah. You will not see any change in that.

@psyah

It is apparent this “no change” is referred to specifically regarding the manner of faith vs disbelief where victory has come to those who believe. It is not a general statement of “EVERYTHING” and it can’t be … your own reason should show you that.

a) Look at the miracle of the parting sea - Musa (AS)
b) Look at the miracle of the staff become snake eating the other snakes - Musa (AS)
c) Look at the Creation of Adam (AS)
d) Look at the Ascension of Isa (AS)

And if you do no want to accept Isa (AS)'s Ascension then at least recognise according to your own views that Isa (AS) was first born to a Jewish woman and then he was born to an Indian woman… For the same person to be born twice - or for two separate people to be given the same soul or spiritual title is to all extents and purposes a “change” from the law of God … In fact more fundamentally growth, technology and so many other things breed change and this is a world full of changes - to say that you feel a change is only a change on the basis that something has never happened before then many things that now happen had a start point … in which case the start point would have to be impossible if Allah (SWT) never changes His ways.

Rather Allah (SWT) is Himself Unchanging and this verse has to have a very specific understanding …

Again, point A ,B and C are mentioned in Quran, therefore this is the way of Allah. He did it before, he is well capable of doing it again. They are mentioned in Quran and me as a believer believe in Quran. Point D has no basis. To say that A B and C has happened, therefore D can as well.. is very poor argument. We will believe in point D too, if only theres any evidence in it.. Allah can do everything but He did not do that, no where is it mentioned. Hence, this belief is baseless. I’ll put video in this post about it. Please watch that.

You are absolutely wrong in passing a judgement that we believe in the reincarnation of soul. Jesus(as) of nazareth , the prophet born to virgin Mary died. He was not crucified nor killed by jews. If he was not crucified or killed by jews, it by no means mean that he was taken up to heavens. Allah is everywhere. You have never answered me why Allah needed the feel to take him to heavens , when he himself says hes in the west and east and everywhere you direct yourself, you will find him. He is close to you than your jugular vein. Then why to the skies ?

I asked you to provide me full hadith where the appearance of Jesus(as) is mentioned. Please do so and you will find your answers.
It is not the same person who is being born twice. I cant believe you still dont understand what our point of view has been all along!

Jesus (as) was a prophet to Muswi shariya. He came at the last era of Muswi shariya.
Promised Messiah will be a prophet to Muhammadi Shariya. He will be given the same title of Messiah. He will be to Muhammadi Shariyah as Jesus(as) was to Muswi shariya. We reject reincarnation of souls, as it has no room in Islam.

Extraordinary event requires extraordinary witnesses. Theres no mention of His ascension. If there was, there needs to be evidence in Quran and evidence in His era of witnesses who saw him going up. There was not a single jew in the history who accepted Jesus(as) because he saw him going to heavens alive. Please watch the video. Thanks.