Hazrat Isa A.S.

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.

@psyah

Peace Mr.Popat

The Hadith you have given regarding the body of Muhammad (SAW) remaining where it was does not contradict the idea of an actual, real Ascension. You are merely casting your** limited view on the scenario**. I’ve already stated that he (SAW) went and returned as if not second had passed, but for him, much time had passed.

Now the idea of a spiritual Ascension has been put in to play by the Mu’tazilis many years back. However, consensus is on the reverse.

http://www.central-mosque.com/quran/isramiraj.htm

So since you couldnt deny hadith, you are not saying this to satisfy yourself? How does it not contradict? If muhammad PBUH body remained where it was then how do you explain this to have been a physical journey? Anyway, this is not the actual topic. This topic was brought by Jinx, in his favor that Isa(as) is on skies. But this topic is different and again, cant be used as a point to show Jesus(as) ascension.

It appears as thugh you have not seen my previous response to this.

Now please agree that the Qu’ran does not state Isa (AS) has died … Or show the actual verse that says he (AS) has died.

No indicate death is not good enough …

His Death in past tense

That is what I’m looking for … You show me it I’ll apologise to you.

I have said it countless times. The burden of the proof lies on your shoulders. I have shown you verses from which it shows Isa(as) died. Please dont tell me you cant think of any one verse. Please dont let my hard work go wasted. Quran does say that no human being has the capability of going to heavens alive. Quran does also say that all prophets before Muhammad PBUH have passed away. Then we see verse where the use of tawaffee is mentioned, which we discussed means taking up nothing but soul. Then the verse about Jesus(as) being witness over them as long as He was among them. Then we have Hadith confirming what that verse means when Muhammad PBUH said "… i will say exactly what Jesus (as) said .. that when you gave me death, you were witness over them " . What else do you want ? You know very well that all you have tried doing so far is to come up with your theories about how Quran does not contradict the belief you hold, but not even once were you able to tell me from Quran why you claim that ?

Despite not having to show you proof , I still did. Given that death is by default. But I have not seen anything from your side to show me when has this been possible for any human being to have gone to heavens bodily alive?

According to Islamic belief, there were many many prophets sent by Allah.. and yet only around 25/26 prophets are mentioned in Quran ( and even for all of these prophets, Allah does not specifically said they were dead ) . Do you take every prophet NOT mentioned in Quran to be alive ?

Since your argument work like this >> if someone’s death is not shown to you from Quran >> they are alive.
This is what I expect from you >>> if something out of extraordinary has happened, show me the proof.
This is what I think >>>>>>>>>>>> Death is by default. You show me where Allah said he was taken to heavens bodily alive.

I showed you verses. You will not believe because you are afraid what the majority will say. Keep on believing whatever you like. Heres a bit of a humble request to you. Dont make Islam to be a science fiction religion. Whoever is born in this world , time runs for every single one exactly the same way. Be it us or saints or messengers. Time does not stop for anyone. Please dont attribute beliefs to Islam that has no evidence to back up. Islam is a very straight forward religion. It is the beliefs that some people have told us to be part of faith that is creating the distances…beliefs which does not have any bases to believe.

I dont need no apology from you. My intention is to get the true message of Islam across and pray for you. Indeed it is Allah alone who will guide anyone to the straight path. May Allah take away the fear of majority out of your heart in accepting the truth.