Hazrat Isa A.S.

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Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.

@Mr.Popat

I did not say the event of Miraj did not happen. Neither did I say Prophet Muhammad PBUH did not see Lord. What I’m saying is that the journey was not physical. It was a total spiritual experience, the like of which no other prophet had witnessed before. That is all I’m saying. You keep sliding over the main topic. It’s not me. I’m waiting for you to bring me something from Quran which shows that a person can go to heaven alive. The reason of my response to Miraj for this topic of Isa(as) is to tell you that this event cannot be used as evidence from your side that Isa(as) is alive.

Quoted above are some ahadith, taken from Kutub ul sittah. You must have good reason to deny them, especially when Qur’an doesnt say it was physical but rather spiritual ( as the heart saw and not the eye ). Have a look at the second last hadith from Bukhari, where it is said that his eyes were sleeping but his heart was not, and that when he ‘woke up’ he was in ka’aba. Had it been a physical journey, there must have been many non believers who had witnessed it.. but we see none.

Syedna Ayesha (ra) differed because people were spreading falsehood. She did not deny the journey…nor am I. She says the journey was not physical. So am I.

Why should I admit that theres no way in Quran where His death is not mentioned. I provided you verses, my friend. Even one verse should be proof enough where the word tawaffee is used, and i gave you verses from Quran telling you what it meant in other cases. Read those again and then come up with something from Quran to refute my belief. If I get enough time today, I’ll post those verses again..but i’m sure you know which ones I’m talking about. ( I did write some verses in my previous post too , but I can do it again ). Meanwhile, please bring forward your arguments which you always say you have. I want to have a look at them.

Again, I did my part. I showed u verses which I think indicate His death. Now its your turn to bring forward your evidence. You have to show how its possible for a normal human to get to heaven, when such a thing has never happened at any point in Islamic history. Please save yourself some time in telling me your theories and speak from Quran. Thanks.

Peace Mr.Popat

The Hadith you have given regarding the body of Muhammad (SAW) remaining where it was does not contradict the idea of an actual, real Ascension. You are merely casting your limited view on the scenario. I’ve already stated that he (SAW) went and returned as if not second had passed, but for him, much time had passed.

Now the idea of a spiritual Ascension has been put in to play by the Mu’tazilis many years back. However, consensus is on the reverse.

http://www.central-mosque.com/quran/isramiraj.htm

It appears as thugh you have not seen my previous response to this.

Now please agree that the Qu’ran does not state Isa (AS) has died … Or show the actual verse that says he (AS) has died.

No indicate death is not good enough …

His Death in past tense

That is what I’m looking for … You show me it I’ll apologise to you.