Hazrat Isa A.S.

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Re: Hazrat Isa A.S.

@Mr.Popat

4:78 : **Wheresoever you may be, **death will overtake you

Allah takes away the souls of human beings at the time of their death; and during their sleep of those also that are notyet dead. And then He retains those against which He has decreed death, and sends back the others till an appointed term. In that surely are Signs for a people who reflect.

a what does ‘taken up’ in the other verses mean then? if not death? You fail to provide me even just one verse, or ahadith in which the word ‘tawaffee’ is used which means taken up in its literal sense.

al baqarah - 234, 240
al imran 193
an nisa 15
an nisa 97
al inaam 61
surah yunas 46
surah yusaf 101

These are the verses in which you translate as ‘taken up’ but fail to tell me what that taken up implies to? physical or their souls? Because, remember, you cannot just say there are ‘3’ ways of Allah taking up someone. In the verse above, God only takes away soul in two occasions :

1) Sleep
2) Death

Point to be noted here is >> in both of these occasions, the body itself remains on earth. Where did you come to a conclusion, that Allah’s 3rd way is to take someone bodily alive? I am providing you verses, but you’re just asking me to assume it ?

Other than the verses i provided , here are 2 verses from Quran in which the word, tawaffee is used, which i will copy here :

12:101 : Let death come to me in a state of submission *to Thy will *and join me to the righteous.’

Not take me up physically.. it will not make an iota of sense , if in that verse you take it as physically take me up.

Here is another verse where tawaffee word is used :

[16:33] Those whom the a**ngels cause to die **while they are pure. They say: ‘Peace be unto you! Enter Heaven because of what you used to do.’

Angels send peace on them and will make them enter heaven because of what they used to do. Allah does not send anyone heaven or hell until and unless their appointed time has come, as there still is possibility one can follow wrong path upon coming back to earth. It must mean death. If not, then please provide me with your translation of verses.

Peace Mr.Popat

Verse 12:101 correct translation is:

Take me (while I am) a Muslim, and join me with the righteous. (Here take is meant for the soul) so the meaning of the translation is:

Take (my soul, while in the state of being Muslim) and join me (my soul) with the righteous.
It is most likely to be the time soon AFTER death or either side of death … but it is not equivalent to death itself … It’s like walking from one side of the river to the next by a bridge and saying that the bridge itself is the same as walking to the other side of the river …

(There is no Arabic word mawt here which actually translates to death.)

In the translation you have given it seems that “death is coming as a Muslim” not that death comes to the Muslim soul" …

Correct translation of 16:32

"Those who are taken by the pure angels … "

Here the meaning of the “taken” is those (souls) that are taken … (after death) because the rest of verse states paradise so we know this is referring to a time in the Hereafter.

Verse 2:234 - Those who are taken from you …
Verse 2:240 - Those who are taken from you …
Verse 3:193 - And take us with the Righteous
Verse 4:15 - … Until death takes them (females plural) … ALERT vital clue in this verse …
Verse 4:97 - Indeed, those who the angels take …
Verse 6:61 - … Until, when comes, to one of you, death takes him … ***ALERT vital clue in this verse …
***Verse 10:46 - Or We take you …

As you can see all of the verse the meaning of “tawaffee” is “take” … it cannot be “death” … in any of them … but “death” is implied by the context only … in some cases where death is explicit then in that case the “taking” definitely cannot mean “death”, but means something that is happening as a result of death …

4:15

Hatta, Yatawaffaahunn Al-Mawtu …

If tawaffee meant death then this ayat is saying …

**Until death they die … ** Come again …

Similar is the case in 6:61 …

Tawafee means TAKE … and the similitude is as in English we can see from the context what type of “take” is meant in the same way we can see that with Arabic …

“Take a break”
“Take this”
“Take a fall”
“He was taken up”