According to a tradition, Hazrat Ali was once questioned that which animals give birth to thier young live and which lay eggs to which he replied,“All those animals with external ears give birth to thier youngs live while all others with no external ears lay eggs”. giving birth to live youngs is called Vivipary & Laying eggs is called Ovipary. Now first part is true as only mammals have external ears & except monotromes ( egg laying mammals, which surprisingly have no external ears but internal ear is like mammals) all employ vivipary while some sharks, snakes, cockroaches and even flies like Tse-Tse ( all have no external ears) fly employ vivipary for reproduction. Was Hazrat Ali, The Door of Knowledge not knowing it or he might have given only the first part of the statement as he actually replied to the challenging question and some one else later added the later part assuming the vice versa must be similar. your comments please
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Hazrat Ali was once challenged with a question.
"Which animals lay eggs and which give birth to their live young" to which he replied as per tradition,
"All the animals with their ears out (external ears) give birth to thier live youngs and all animals with their ears inside (no external ears) lay eggs".
Now though there is no relationship between reproductive methods Vivipary (giving birth to live youngs) & Ovipary (laying eggs) and external or internal ears as per science, the answer was meant for the understanding of the common man of that era and hence an excellent summary. However there are few factual errors which i want to enumerate below.
The first part of the statement is absolutely true as only Mammals have external ears (less monotromes) and less monotromes all mammals employ vivipary for reproduction, however the second part is not true as many sharks, snakes, some lizards, cockroaches and even flies like Tse-Tse employ vivipary though they have no external ears.
I assume that probably he replied giving only the first part and second was added by some one afterwards assuming that the reverse must be true as according to Hadith Ali is the door of Knoweldge and it cannot be assumed that he did not know it if we believe Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H). Can any one please refer to the exact place from where this saying has come and its authenticity
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"Which animals lay eggs and which give birth to their live young" to which he replied as per tradition,
"All the animals with their ears out (external ears) give birth to thier live youngs and all animals with their ears inside (no external ears) lay eggs".
Now though there is no relationship between reproductive methods Vivipary (giving birth to live youngs) & Ovipary (laying eggs) and external or internal ears as per science, the answer was meant for the understanding of the common man of that era and hence an excellent summary. However there are few factual errors which i want to enumerate below.
The first part of the statement is absolutely true as only Mammals have external ears (less monotromes) and less monotromes all mammals employ vivipary for reproduction, however the second part is not true as many sharks, snakes, some lizards, cockroaches and even flies like Tse-Tse employ vivipary though they have no external ears.
I assume that probably he replied giving only the first part and second was added by some one afterwards assuming that the reverse must be true as according to Hadith Ali is the door of Knoweldge and it cannot be assumed that he did not know it if we believe Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H). Can any one please refer to the exact place from where this saying has come and its authenticity
HAZRAT ALI (as) Saying:
There is no treasure like knowledge.
The realm of knowledge has no bounds.
The chief of talents is knowledge.
Knowledge leads to wisdom, accordingly the educated man is the wise one; riches diminish by expenditure, while knowledge is increased by dissemination.
A wise man needs each day an hour set apart in which to examine his conscience, and measure what he has gained or lost.
The heart is the source of wisdom, with the ear as its channel.
Philosophy is a, tree growing in the heart, and bearing its fruit on the tongue.
Belief and wisdom are twin brothers; Allah accepts not the one without the other.
While you live you die. Each breath of a man is a step nearer death.
Death awaits every living creature and everything must end.
You are the game that death hunts.
If you stand still, it will seize you;
If you flee, it will overtake you.
Books are the gardens of the learned.
The man of learning lives even after his death.
The ignorant man is dead, while still alive.
The scholar knows an ignorant man, because formerly he was ignorant himself, but the ignorant knows not the scholar, never having been one..
He is very unfortunate who cannot in his life-time gain a few sincere friends and sympathizers and more unfortunate is the one who has gained them and then to have lost them (through his deeds).
There is no greater wealth than wisdom,
No greater poverty than ignorance,
No greater heritage than culture,
And no greater friend and helpmate than consultation.
The strongest man is he who can fight against himself.
The strongest man is he who can make his reason conquers his passions.
Protect your wealth by means of Zakat.
Cure your sick through offering of Alms and destroy difficulties and dangers through prayers.
One without pity for others will never be pitied.
Whoever has compassion upon orphans, will see his own children treated kindly.
There is no better means of prolongation of life than Sadaqah (alms) and there is no better thing than prayers for emancipation from evils. There is no better method of making human beings look venerable than by good manners and there is no better remedy than repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Beware that Sadqah (Alms) is a curtain between oneself and the fire of hell and is an easy medium for the Pool-e-Serat and is a protection from punishment.
Treat people in such a way and live amongst them in such a manner that if you die they weep over you and if you are alive they crave for your company.
I recommend five things to you, the attainment of which will be worth any amount of hardship: Not to expect anything from anyone but from God; not to fear anything but your sins; not to be ashamed to say, ‘I do not know’, when asked about something you are not aware of; not to be ashamed of learning a thing you do not know. Ever preserve the virtue of patience, for patience in relation to ‘Eeman’ (Faith) is like the head in relation to the body. And there is no good in a body which has no head, neither in ‘Eeman’ which has no patience.
He who understands Divine Greatness never boasts.
A sincere friend is sincere even in hardships.
Do not envy the glory and magnificence of others, let not pride and grandeur of this world puff you, nor let sorrow over its wickedness and poverty depress you; for, all glory and magnificence shall fade, all worldly bliss pass away and all evil and poverty surely end, as we shall ourselves pass away.
Humbleness and prostration bring nearness to God.
God the Almighty selected us from His Creation and selected for us our followers who assist us. They are pleased when we are pleased and are sorrowful in our sorrows. They give up their lives and property for our cause. Therefore they are ours and will be with us in Paradise.
If you believe in God, abstain from forbidden things, then you will be saved from all evils. If you please God, God will also please you.
Simplest way of attaining God’s mercy is to be good to all humanity.
The descendants of the Prophet are his Confidants, the Shelter of his commands, the Trustees of his knowledge, the Stronghold of the Quran and the Mountains of his Faith.
It was his firm belief that a ruler should rule not to please himself but to bring happiness to the ruled. And it was on the basis of this principle that he laid down rules for his people to carry out
You must develop in yourself, kindness and love for your subjects. Do not behave with them as if you were a ferocious beast.
Muslims and non-Muslims should be treated alike. Muslims are your brothers and non-Muslims are human beings just like you.
Do not feel ashamed to forgive. Do not, be hasty with punishment. Do not quickly lose your temper over mistakes and failures of those over whom you rule. Anger and desire for vengeance are not going to be of much use to you in administration.
Do not allow favoritism and nepotism to force you to violate your duties to God and man, and drive you towards tyranny and oppression.
While selecting officers take care that you do not select such persons as have served tyrannical and oppressive rulers and have been responsible for atrocities and savage cruelties.
Select honest and kind persons as your advisers and from amongst them prefer those who speak out the bitter truth to you unreservedly without fear or favor.
Appointments in the first place must be on probation.
Keep your officers well paid so that they may not be tempted to practice corruption or misappropriation.
Appoint confidential officers secretly to watch the activities of your officers and staff and report to you about their behavior.
Your secretaries should be the cream of your civil, judicial or military service. Choose the best among them irrespective of age or period of service.
11.All letters or applications should be dealt with by the officers and replies or orders about them should be drafted by them only. No subordinate must be allowed to be the eyes and the mind of these officers.
12your subjects into your confidence and make them feel that you are their well-wisher and friend.
13.Never break a promise or go against the terms of a treaty. It is a sin against God.
14.You must take care of your traders but should never allow them to resort to hoarding, black-marketing and profiteering.
Help handicraft; it reduces poverty and raises the standard of life.
16.Agriculturists are assets to the state and should be protected.
17.Remember that your sacred duty is to look after the poor, disabled and the orphans. Let not your officers humiliate them, ill-treat them or oppress them. Help them, protect them and let them approach you whenever they are in need of your help.
Avoid bloodshed; do not kill anybody unless he deserves to be killed according to the Canons of Islam.
Hazrat Ali’s administration was too disturbed by civil war to allow him to remedy the evils of the previous administration; but he removed most of the corrupt governors and established a state archive for the safe custody and preservation of records of the Caliphate. He created the office of ‘Hajib’ (chamberlain) and that of the ‘Sahibush-Shurta’ (Captain of the Guard). He reorganized the police and regulated their duties. Under his advice the era of ‘Hijra’ was established and schools and mosques were also founded and endowed in every part of the empire.
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He could have slipped up...he is just a man after all.
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well he might have slipped or been misquoted, that is the question, can some one point out to the exact book from where this quote came from and its authenticity
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I don't think its right to suggest that a great personality and a nephew of the Prophet himself "slipped up".
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I like Moula Ali. He was a genius guy , a cool customer
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sometimes ppl fail to realize the status of the person who they r talking about…
they think that they can talk about them in the same tone as they do for friends/colleagues…
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Rightly said armughalBut my question remains, can any one point out the exact reference as i believe he could not slip up if we Believe Hazrat Muhammad and his sayings that Ali was the door of Knowledge, i hear this quote somewhere in some speech and went to find out if it is true, you can see the result.
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MKF,
What exactly you are looking? Are you checking the Authenticity of this Hadeez or do you have any doubt about Hazrat Ali's Knowledge.Hazrat Umar said only one thing about Hazrat "Umar would die if Ali was not around'. And we all know that status of Hazrat Umar status among Sunni Muslims. He was very close companion of Prophet Muhammad sww.
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Y2K-Zaid
Actually i am looking to the source of this Saying, i read this saying and was highly impressed with the way he succintly summarized the answer, but on investigation i found the flaw in the second part of the saying attributed to him, i wish i could prove that the second part was not uttered by him and someone else atributed his own thoughts to him.
also what you have quoted is another saying which goes like this that there was a dispute between two ladies who had given birth to children same night in one place and were fighting for the custody of the baby boy. The case came to Hazrat Umar and he called Hazrat Ali because he could not solve the issue and Hazrat ALi judged that equal quantity of both mothers milk be weighed and the one with the heavier milk is the mother of the boy, on which Hazrat Umar said what you had quoted above. Frankly i am looking to verify that as well but so far i am unable to find any study regarding relation of mother's milk density to gender of the new born.
my aim is to prove that he was the door of knowledge and this second part i believe was attributed to him by someone else down the chain of narrators
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Actually i am looking to the source of this Saying, i read this saying and was highly impressed with the way he succintly summarized the answer, but on investigation i found the flaw in the second part of the saying attributed to him, i wish i could prove that the second part was not uttered by him and someone else atributed his own thoughts to him.
also what you have quoted is another saying which goes like this that there was a dispute between two ladies who had given birth to children same night in one place and were fighting for the custody of the baby boy. The case came to Hazrat Umar and he called Hazrat Ali because he could not solve the issue and Hazrat ALi judged that equal quantity of both mothers milk be weighed and the one with the heavier milk is the mother of the boy, on which Hazrat Umar said what you had quoted above. Frankly i am looking to verify that as well but so far i am unable to find any study regarding relation of mother's milk density to gender of the new born.
my aim is to prove that he was the door of knowledge and this second part i believe was attributed to him by someone else down the chain of narrators
Dear brother and sister Salam,
All the above quotes are available in : sermons of Amirul Momineen Ali ibn abi Talib in a book titled Nahjul Balagha (Peak of Eloquenc)
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Salam :
Those who doubt in Knowledge of Imam Ali (as) are not following the Hadith of Hazrat Mohammad (swas). "I AM CITY OF KNOWLEDGE AND ALI IS THE GATE OF CITY". Ignoring Imam Ali Almurtaza (as) means directly ingnoring the CITY OF KNOWLEDGE( Prohpet Mohammad (saws).
And do not mind.... Hyprocate is also that who doubt in knowledge of Imam Ali (as) and also like to degrade him (ALLAH FORBID)
THINK AGAIN TODAY YOU HAVE ANOTHER DAY
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Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan
According to Ibn Taimiyya, this Hadith, that I am city of knowledge and Ali ra is the gate is fabricated.
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According to Ibn Taimiyya, this Hadith, that I am city of knowledge and Ali ra is the gate is fabricated.
If this is fabricated then who in your opinion is the real source of knowledge in Islam?
Ibn Taimiyya?
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The real source of knowledge is Quran and authentic Sunnah. Remember that Hazrat Ali ra did not write any book, Nahjaul-Balagha was written 400 years after the death of Ali ra.
I highly doubt that these things attributed to Hazrat Ali ra are actually his sayings. If indeed he did say it then why can't you tell MKF, as to why the second part of the attributed saying is wrong.
Please, shaakh-e-nazuk pey aashiyaana mat banaoo
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According to Ibn Taimiyya, this Hadith, that I am city of knowledge and Ali ra is the gate is fabricated.
SALAM :
FIRST OF ALL I APPRICIATE THE PHRASE WHICH YOU HAVE WRITH FOR SELF (kam ka na kaj ka dushman anaj ka) you are right
NOW SEE THE FACTS:
regarding the Ibne Tammayyia... well he was a die hard Wahabi,. None of the Ahlus-Sunnah schollars have deemed Abdul Wahab & Ibne Tammaiyya to be Aalims. Infact, the Hanafi fiqah have issued Takfeer against Abdul Wahab and Ibne Tammiyya to be Kaafirs, and to not even shake hands with them.
for reference plz contact:
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Thanks Brother Healthy Mind Jazak Allah Khair you fixed this issue.
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The real source of knowledge is Quran and authentic Sunnah. Remember that Hazrat Ali ra did not write any book, Nahjaul-Balagha was written 400 years after the death of Ali ra.
Are you real sunni? You are trying to disrespect Shaba e Akram. Don't you raed tons of Hadeez of Rasool about Hazrat Ali. Everything is fabriacted
What do you think about Hazrat Ali Sheer e Khuda. Last week while driving to Masjid I listened the radio program from Sangeet Radio the presenter was a very famous Pakistani Scholar (Moulana Mukthar Naeemi) Imam of Masjid e Ghous e Azam Houston, Texas he delivered a twenty mintue lecture about life of Hazrat Ali Sheer e Khuda. If you have any dobut about the authenticity of Hazrat Ali's status in Islam contact Moulana on Masjid's phone +1 281-540-8760
People like you are creating difference among Muslims. You can believe Ibn Tabiyya but it is hard for you to believe prophet Muhammad e Mustafa.What is status Ibne Tammayyia in Islam. He was in Shai e Sata?
He was not even a companion of Rasool Allah.
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Y2k_ZAID,
I have no doubt upon the status of Ali ra, i beleive that even the mud that touched Hazrat Ali's feet is 1 million times better than me and i have same beleif about Hazrat Abu Bakr ra, Hazrat Umer ra and Hazrat Uthman ra.
There are lot of Daeef and Moudoo Ahadeeth that people keep posting, questioning a Hadeeth has nothing to do with status of Hazrat Ali ra.
Now, why are you evading the real question at hand, IF the statement attributed to Hazrat Ali ra is true then why the second part of it is wrong, as MKF has been asking.