Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

[gora]

Why are Pakistanis supportive of oppression on others as long as it means they are not attacking Pakistan?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jDZQaM7FErxV6XAubD2gVrBAEyBA?docId=CNG.1411cd01df64d8f14a45e3962493fb9a.5f1

Afghanistan’s oppressed Hazaras dread Taliban return
By Emmanuel Duparcq (AFP) – Mar 19, 2011
YAKAWLANG, Afghanistan — Ibrahim still has vivid nightmares about the slaughter on the morning of January 11, 2001 that he miraculously escaped.
Pumped up by victory after seizing control of Ibrahim’s home district of Yakawlang, blood-thirsty Taliban fighters set upon Afghanistan’s most oppressed ethnic group, the Hazaras, in typically ruthless fashion.
“They lined us up in two rows and started shooting us one by one,” said Ibrahim, a Hazara who is 32 but looks 10 years older in his worn black tunic and brown jacket, topped off by a white turban.
“I couldn’t stand the sight of all that blood, and I fainted,” he told AFP.
Ibrahim was one of the lucky ones – the United Nations and other rights organisations say the insurgents killed around 350 Hazaras on that day.
He and one other wounded survivor headed for the mountains, where they hid until the fall of the Taliban more than nine months later.
Ten years on, the central province of Bamiyan is one of the most peaceful in war-torn Afghanistan and for that reason is expected to be among the first to come under the control of Afghan security forces.
But Hazaras like Ibrahim fear that when NATO troops withdraw, the way will be open for the rebels they call “animals” to return.
As Shia Muslims, the Hazaras, who make up much of the population of central Afghanistan, were a prime target for the mainly Sunni Taliban.
The Taliban famously blew up Bamiyan’s historic Buddha statues, but they also destroyed what little sense of security the Hazaras, who occupy the bottom rung of Afghan society, used to enjoy.
From the victims shot so many times their heads were left pulverised to the tribal elders who were cut to shreds with knives, accounts of Taliban brutality abound in this province, around 130 kilometres (80 miles) west of Kabul.
In the minds of Bamiyan’s residents, the threat of the militants’ return is ever-present.
“The Taliban are the worst creatures that God has ever created. We haven’t heard from them for 10 years, but we are still afraid,” said Sayed Zia of Koshkak village, high in the mountains that surround the provincial capital, also called Bamiyan.
“For us, the Taliban are just animals, or even worse,” added his neighbour Afzal.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai is due to announce on Monday which will be the first provinces to be handed over to Afghan security forces this summer, the first stage of a transition process that will see foreign troops pull out by 2014.
The Hazaras of Bamiyan do not believe the Taliban will return immediately if NATO forces leave the province.
“The Taliban are not active in the province because no one supports them,” said 36-year-old Nasrullah Waezi, a young mullah from the provincial capital.
But they do fear that if NATO leaves Afghanistan altogether, the Taliban could surround Bamiyan and close in on the province, as they did in 2001.
“Once NATO leaves the country the Taliban will be here in a week,” said Asif, 30, who fought against the insurgents in Yakawlang in 2001.
Bamiyan’s deputy governor Hadji Qasim Kazemi echoed his fears, saying NATO must stay on if the fruits of a decade of peace, including new government buildings and the province’s first proper roads, are to continue.
“We want NATO to stay,” he told AFP. “Hazaras are peaceful people, but if intruders like Al-Qaeda or the Taliban come, they will fight.”
In the centre of the provincial capital, Ali Zafar, the imposing head of the local anti-Taliban militia, still goes by the title “commander.”
He now runs a hotel and says he has a comfortable life, but would not hesitate to take up arms again.
His friend, a tall, elegant man dressed in a traditional flat hat and a long grey coat, serves tea and smiles: “We have kept plenty of weapons, just in case.”
But the fight appears to have gone out of Ibrahim, who had one son at the time of the slaughter but now has two more and two daughters.
“I am no longer as brave as I was,” he said.

It seems like oppression is acceptable as long as it means Shariah is established, right?

If Hazaras resist and fight the Taliban again, would anyone here support their right to do so?

[Nisha25]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

hopefully the afghan security forces are strong enough to fight off the the talibs and protect minorities like the Hazaras after NATO forces leave. It's up to the afghan people to save their own country

there was a recent poll about a year ago where a majority of pakistanis were fine with taliban taking over afghanistan.....It didn't make sense to me either looking at how animalistic the talibs are in nature

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@Nisha25

hopefully the afghan security forces are strong enough to fight off the the talibs and protect minorities like the Hazaras after NATO forces leave. It's up to the afghan people to save their own country

there was a recent poll about a year ago where a majority of pakistanis were fine with taliban taking over afghanistan.....It didn't make sense to me either looking at how animalistic the talibs are in nature

may be they were comparing Taliban with those US psychopaths from the pictures of Afghanis' abuse.

[firenze]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@hareem01

may be they were comparing Taliban with those US psychopaths from the pictures of Afghanis' abuse.

you can't compare the actions of less then 20 servicemen with thousands of talibanic-gay-monkeys..

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@firenze

you can't compare the actions of less then 20 servicemen with thousands of talibanic-gay-monkeys..

Who are Talibans? How many Taliban are there in total?

To most people like yourself firenze anyone opposing US attacks is considered a Taliban so where do you draw the lines?

[Nisha25]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@hareem01

may be they were comparing Taliban with those US psychopaths from the pictures of Afghanis' abuse.

what the......? i don't understand what you're talking about, so you're saying that most pakistanis in pakistan were ok with taliban taking over power in afghanistan b/c they were comparing them with the few US soldiers that formed the "kill team"? what you're implying doesn't make sense to me. i'm thankful that those few soldiers were sentenced for what they did to the afghan civilians but what you're implying is completely ridiculous

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@Nisha25

what the......? i don't understand what you're talking about, so you're saying that a 75% of pakistanis in pakistan were ok with taliban taking over power in afghanistan b/c they were comparing them with the couple US soldiers that formed the "kill team". does that make sense to you, b/c what you're implying doesn't make sense to me.

what 75% of Pakistanis you're talking about? And since when these surveys have become the accurate source of finding out the truth? How many people in Pakistan were interviewed before reaching this conclusion?

Do you even know the total population of Pakistan? It's over 170 million. Is it even possible to interview that many people? or was it done through vote system? I think not coz I didn't hear anything about such voting.

[firenze]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@hareem01

Who are Talibans? How many Taliban are there in total?

To most people like yourself firenze anyone opposing US attacks is considered a Taliban so where do you draw the lines?

Lets draw a line.

1) Taliban are made by West & Pakistan with the help of Saudi's.

2) We made a mistake, we didn't dismantle them after they achieve the desire goals

3) The monster which we created get out of control, and we are trying to control them also trying to save some of these brainwashed zombies to use in future battles with India and else.

4) Then came in the picture the resources of Central Asian Republics & regional influence by Iran, India & Chinese.

5) Now their are dozens of fractions within Taliban who are fighting for ideology which is written by wine drinking Generals of USA & Pakistan.

6) Al-qaeda born because of western presence in Arab world - they find a base in Afghanistan everything was going fine until they have the wet dreams of world domination with bricks & self-made religion some calls it fork of Islam by gay-mullahs.

7) War on terror started after the Al-qaeda led attacks on western nations, Afghanistan & Iraq become dust - nearly all the Muslims lands become a war zone. West receive collapse of housing market in return and whole world get into great recession.

8) West is functioning normal, regardless of all the economic pain. Then came the real revolution trigger by a vegetable seller in Tunisia and transform the whole middle east

Fast forward to 2011.

Did i miss anything?

The verdict is Talibani/Extremists and their ideology have to go in the dustbin of history.

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@firenze

Lets draw a line.

The verdict is Talibani/Extremists and their ideology have to go in the dustbin of history.

I agree with you but

No matter what you say against Taliban, Nisha25 and gora have made up their minds based on a "survey" and you are in it. LOL

[firenze]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@hareem01

So your point is?

Taliban are history. Just like all the extremists-led movements before them.

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@firenze

Taliban are history. Just like all the extremists-led movements before them.

Try telling this to gora and Nisha25. :)

[firenze]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@hareem01

Try telling this to gora and Nisha25. :)

You should keep trying too :)

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@firenze

You should keep trying too :)

Well that's what I'm trying to do.

gora,

about supporting Hazaras, I don't know if they are any better than Taliban but if they are then I support them.

[gora]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

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about supporting Hazaras, I don't know if they are any better than Taliban but if they are then I support them.
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They suffered under oppression by the Pashtuns since the late 1800s and unlike the Pashtuns, are more open to allowing their women to be educated and be prosperous.

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@gora

They suffered under oppression by the Pashtuns since the late 1800s and unlike the Pashtuns, are more open to allowing their women to be educated and be prosperous.

Well then they should be taking over. :k:

On the side note, there might be some extreme groups in Pakistan like any other country (even there are some fanatic groups in US and UK) but majority of Pakistanis want peace and progress in region.

[Nisha25]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@hareem01

what 75% of Pakistanis you’re talking about? And since when these surveys have become the accurate source of finding out the truth? How many people in Pakistan were interviewed before reaching this conclusion?

Do you even know the total population of Pakistan? It’s over 170 million. Is it even possible to interview that many people? or was it done through vote system? I think not coz I didn’t hear anything about such voting.

so you’re questioning this source and the validity of the information provided in this article? it’s only talking about pakistanis in pakistan not the ones abroad

Poll: Majority of Pakistanis View US as Enemy

@hareem01

Who are Talibans? How many Taliban are there in total?

To most people like yourself firenze anyone opposing US attacks is considered a Taliban so where do you draw the lines?

hareem before you post comments like the one you made in response to my first comment in this thread, do some research on the afghan taliban please and who the hazaras are. i mean it’s sad that you aren’t even informed on who they are…why make blatant comments when you don’t have knowledge on such topics

[gora]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@hareem01

Well then they should be taking over. :k:

On the side note, there might be some extreme groups in Pakistan like any other country (even there are some fanatic groups in US and UK) but majority of Pakistanis want peace and progress in region.

Disagree.

How many Pakistanis came out to support Saddam?

How many came out to cheer Mumtaz Qadri as a hero for murdering Salman Taseer?

How many were very supportive of keeping its Christian, Shi’a, and Ahmadi population in line?

How many are supportive of the Taliban taking over in spite of the troubles they brought? Would Pakistanis cease their support for Ahmadinejad if the Iranians went to war against the Taliban?

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@Nisha25

so you’re questioning this source and the information provided in this article?
Poll: Majority of Pakistanis View US as Enemy

Such surveys where you question 2,000 people and make conclusions out of that cannot be totally reliable in any form. But even if I take these stats as a reliable source then nowhere does it mention that 75% Pakistanis support Talibans. Your source states,

“1) roughly six in 10 Pakistanis view the United States as an enemy.”

Yeah, may be so what? Doesn’t mean they support Talibans.

"2) oppose the war in Afghanistan "

Yeah okay and a lot of people oppose this war in West as well doesn’t mean they support Taliban that’s why they oppose the war.

"3) and are becoming less concerned about the threat of the Taliban and al-Qaida. "

Still doesn’t say that they support Taliban. :rolleyes:

[hareem01]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

@gora

Disagree.

How many Pakistanis came out to support Saddam?

How many came out to cheer Mumtaz Qadri as a hero for murdering Salman Taseer?

How many were very supportive of keeping its Christian, Shi'a, and Ahmadi population in line? How many are supportive of the Taliban taking over in spite of the troubles they brought? Would Pakistanis cease their support for Ahmadinejad if the Iranians went to war against the Taliban?

I don't know. Do you? :)

[Nisha25]

Re: Hazaras of Afghanistan support NATO and do not want the Taliban to return

is it just that you want to argue for the sake of arguing????????
i said that they were ok with taliban taking over afghanistan since they feel it wouldn't affect pakistan in any way, meaning they weren't widely opposed to it....