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Okay I don’t give a toss, just thought I’d knock some sense into you guys one way or the other so that Pakistan becaomes an interesting place to live just in case everyone of Paki descent gets deported from this country… Untill then I’m British complete with a northern boy accent, I’ve nothing to do with you, you Pakis can drown yourselves for all I care. 
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Allahhh, ur the cutest. 
I’m no Hindu, kasam se…
I was just being a ‘smelly knob-cheese’ Hindu because I were fcuked off with Pakis acting alll patriotic on one hand and then being more Hindu than Indians, I was sick of the hypocrisy and just got disillusioned with the concept of Pakistan, trust me to begin with I was more patriotic than any of you lots but it wore off.. But now I realised Pakistan is best for all of us, especially me with relatives all over the country from different ethnicities. Just realised not all Pakis are knob-heads, I just want Pakistan to be united now and want a pan-Paki homogneous culture nationwide, distinct and above all its neighbours, free from over-Indianisation, some similarities are inevitable but too much of it is unoriginal…
Let’s hope my patritism stays alive.
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Well, just because we accept our culture, which believe it or not had Indian influences doesnt make us in any ways unpatriotic…
You keep caling for a Pan-Paki culture free of Indianization (although, Afghanization is perfectly fine with you!), but you dont define what that pan-pak cuklture is… It cant simply be Islam, because thats a religion not a culture.
And I dont know why you are accusing us of being “Indian” or indianizing… Our present cultre is South Asian, part of the greater South Asian culture, no one is accepting any new cultural influences from India, I mean Indian films are banned for god sake, although I bet even you watch them on occasion…
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I wonder why people think Afghanistan is such a pious country. Is it because of the Taliban? Well, the Taliban was just a very short story which has been over for a long time. So can someone tell me how Afghanistan is so Islamic, and while you're at it, can you explain why every chorified vehicle in Karachi or any other city end up in Alaqa-e-Ghair next to the border, with the chors (who are mostly natives of that region) demanding extortion money from the actual vehicle owners in order to get it back. Why do they have charas and ammunition shops in those regions? Im not saying the rest of Pakistan consists of better Muslims, I dont draw these stupid comparisons but sometimes when you hear these ppl brag about something they are not, its just plain ridiculous. Yeah, I may be generalizing but its still better than some folks here calling Punjabis Hindus just because their forefathers MIGHT have converted from another religion.
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I dont think he’s hindu, if only because I’ve never met many people pretending to be Hindko speaking before. Outside of Northern Pakistan, not many are informed about the culture.
That said, we should all be aware that Indians posing on Paksitanis on here is obviously a very real possibility and I’m certain it happens often enough. There are many people out there with loads of time on there hand. I 'm certain that fuels many of the ethnic fights we see on here from time to time. It gives them a good chance to chuckle about the “ummah” (not that they need to add fuel to the fire considering that hatred that exists anyhow)
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I was just bored and frustrated when being pro-India, too much free time on my hands, gave me summat to do. Like they say in our language "vaanda kiraarr tattey toley"... :D
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Obviously we’re going to be influenced by both our eastern and western neighbours but we should keep a limit on both, it’s okay to have similarities but being culturally identical to either can endanger our country’s existence in the long run, we should fuse elements of both South-Asian and West-Asian cultures and create our own unique and distinct culture, Pakistan is not just South Asian, we’re also West Asian, Iranian cultures/peoples (Pashtuns, Balochis etc.) are just as part of Pakistan as are its Indian (Punjabi, Sindhi, Mohajir etc.) ones.
By Pan-Paki culture I mean, one language Urdu (not the Hindustani crap you and I speak but rather pure elegant Urdu that is as much Iranian as it is Indian), strict adherence to our national dress Shalwar Kameez (as opposed to Saari or Dhoti), not referring to Jashney-Bahaaran as Basant, or Rasmey-Henna as Mehndi, less of the saffron scarves during weddings… Just small things like this which Bollywood has enforced on us of the Indian culture, which we don’t need coz we’re better than them in every way, in reality Indian culture is very dark and gay, no where near as rosy and sophisticated in real life as it is portrayed in their media, and their people well we all know a good-looking Indian would be considered average by Pakistani standards, I’ve no hesitancy in admitting that people from NW India bordering us who I see in Southhall during fairs, and whom I drool over are usually just as yummy as us but they are only a small minority in India. What we need to do is to advertise our own culture, use every opportunity to present Pakistan in a good light seperate from India, Indians do it at the expense of putting Pakistan down, we should learn from them…
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Chel, your last para makes sense, but it will take some time for that cultural distinctness to become permanent, and 'ours'.
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True, but our media can act as a buffer if we use it in the correct manner... A common language is probably the strongest bond of a unified nation/culture, if we can just make all our TV/Radio Channels, songs, drama-serials/soaps strictly in Urdu and put a ban on foreign media so that national entertainment is all they've got it wont be long before we become a single patriotic nation with one culture...
The way things are Paki Punjabis will naturally identify with Indian Punjabis, Paki Pashtuns with Afghan Pashtuns and Paki Balochis with Iranian Balochis more so than with fellow Pakistanis which obviously can't be good for national unity, that's one of the reasons why I want neutral provincial names because that would be one less similarity with India or Iran and it will help push ethnic identities a bit back..
I think to some extent we must be going in the right direction because last time I visited Pakistan my cousins both in Sialkot and Kohat spoke mostly Urdu...
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I am not going to sacrifice my way of life, my language and my identity for some idless people who wants to create new identity for themselves and who are so ashamed of their Indian origin. We Pashtun and Baluch don’t need new identity, we are satisfied who we are. Capiche?
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Well, You have some points but here is the flaw I see.. You say our culture is a mix of not only India but also Iran and Afghanistan etc…
But, why do you want us to embrace the Iranian aspect of our culture and simply forget about our Indian aspect? We all know that Urdu, even in its purest form is a mixture of Indian languages with Arabic and Iranian influences… The fact that its easier to understand Hindu then it is to Understand Farsi only illustrates the point that Urdu is more Indian then it is Iranian or Arabic.
Why should we not call Basant, Basant? It happens to be an Indian/Punjabi celebration… Why should we change it…
Why should Pakistani women not wear Sari’s? This is also an aspect of our Indian heritage.
And rasme henna is Mehndi because in South Asia, Henna is known as Mehndi.. Its stupid to change the name to Rasma Henna just to satisfy some ridiculous bias towards anyting Indian.
And by the way, Pakistan has become very VERY unIndian in speech and behavior over the past fifty years since independance.
There was a time when greetings like “a’daab” were commanly used in Pakistan. Now how many people use that word? There are many such examples of lanuage and behaviors that have changed since partition…
I mean, on the one hand you say we should accpet our Indian heritage, but then you say we shouldnt… You say we should have a homogenous pan-paki culture but then you want us to be more Iranian and Afghan..
I mean, I just see a really strong bias towards Indian culture… I think it unfair that you would want us to abandon our Indian aspects and embrace Iranian, Arab, and Afghan culture (whatever that is) which are all just as alien to me, if not more so..
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One thing I dont understnd about Pakistan is why they need a cultural identity... America doesnt really have a cultural identity either considering how many different kinds of people there are.. Yet it doesnt bother anyone.
Why not accept Pakistani culture for the melting pot that it is?
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I am not going to sacrifice my way of life, my language and my identity for some idless people who wants to create new identity for themselves and who are so ashamed of their Indian origin. We Pashtun and Baluch don’t need new identity, we are satisfied who we are. Capiche?
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I'm not ashamed of anything, eastern Pakistan does share a common heritage with India to some extent, we can't deny that but it's time to move on now in our own direction for our country's sake, no point being stuck in the past we're a sperate country now, indetities change and Pakistan is in everyones benefit.
I'm happy if Pashtuns are content with their culture but we know they're not, Pakistani Pashtuns are more obsessed with Indian culture than the Indians themselves, I know you guys have a problem with Pakistani culture but so many Pashtuns are embracing Indian culture willingly due to influence from Bollywood even though it's not a part of their heritage and they've nothing to do with it... At a wedding the other day I sneaked into the womens area and some Pashtun women were dressed Indian in Saari's and 'ethnic' type of Shalwar Kameez's and they couldn't carry them off very well at all, didn't go with their builts, now if it had been those heavy Kandahari clothes they would have suited them just fine, so yeah it's better if Pashtuns are proud of their culture and stick to it because it suits them more than anything else...
...But even in Afghanistan the vast majority of Pashtuns are adopting Dari and those who do speak Pashto consider it inferior to Dari. And even though it's the so called ethnic homeland of the Pashtuns the word "Afghan" is no longer synonomous to "Pashtun"..
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Nothing wrong with saying “Aadaab”, that’s perfectly Pakistani and inline with my vision of Paki culture.
I’m not saying we should abandon the Indian part of our heritage completely, there needs to be a balance…
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Okay getting back to the topic.
Maybe Hindkoistan wasn't such a bad idea after all... Merge the Hindko speaking areas of NWFP and Punjab into one province and Pukhtoons and Punjabis can name what ever they please the rest of their provinces.. That would be cool, it would be better if Pakistan could truly become one nation but second best option is for us to have our own province so that we're not branded as Pashtun or Punjabi, who although I respect I am not.
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I don’t know what you are talking about… America does have a culture with only minor variations here and there.. Melting pot and multi-cultural are two different things… Melting point where everyone is expected to assimilate and enrinch the pot is a fine idea but multi-culturalism is wronggg…
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Balance how… Most people watch Indian movies because they can understand them for example.. Its hard to ignore such a big part of your culture.
I watch Iranian films to and Hate Indian films with a passion, but try convincing other Pakistanis to give up their Bollywood and Indian fixation…
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No one is asking you to change, if you want, you can live in a cave, no one cares. And yeah, since when did you start associating baluchis with yourself lol? The Pathan-Baluchi strife in Karachi is pretty famous, perhaps we can make you the ambassador of Baluchi-Pukhtun dosti and put that to an end 
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… yeah i understand of course. There is much about Pakistan that frusterates unfortunately. LOL