if there are more men in the world then why would there be prostitution? prostitution is a result of people leaving their religion…so its lack of morality to blame for that…if a woman is a HOE…marriage wont change her…she would remain a HOE even after marriage…thats just her habit. like I said theres many men out there she can marry is she wishes to…as theres more men in the world.
below is the WORLD population:
Age structure:
0-14 years: 27.8% (male:919,726,623; female:870,468,158)
15-64 years: 64.9% (male:2,117,230,183; female:2,066,864,970)
65 years and over: 7.3% (male:207,903,775; female:263,627,270) (2005)
As you can see there are ALOT more MALES in the world of marriageable age…(i.e. below 65). if one man had 4 wives…it would lead to things like rape and paedophiles being common cuz 75% of the male population in the WORLD would have no wife so they would do other HARAM things to fulfil their desires.
no-one in this thread has said islam is “idiotic” as you liked to put it. there are some Muslim men who promote polygamy (and alot on GS strangely) hence the reason why I opened this thread…cuz all the rest are FOR polygamy…hence I thought why not discuss something different.
nobody made a “sweeping wrong assumption” that all Muslim men plan to marry more than once…I personally know many myself that dont. no-one in our relatives has done that. why you getting so paranoid and making “sweeping assumptions” on things people havent even said
some men like you maybe wont even marry once…considering your arrogance and the way you come across…I dont think ANY woman would find that very appealing.
hussain I generally have alot of respect for pakistani men…the educated ones who live in pakistan…im not sure if you are from pakistan…but alot of times the things you say are very narrow minded. why is that?
Thats pretty harsh considering you are talking about your own creed and then you accuse me of arrogance ? amazing :k:
Thats just like if i say ‘Pooor people are gundi naali ke kerey they have no morality, no religion, they would remain immoral, uncouth filthy bastrds lawless creepers even if they are pulled out of poverty’
Hey but i am not saying that ^
Islam came more than a millinium ago, its not a religion of yesterday, You probably are not aware that war and plagues are on going things in this world we saw to bloody world wars in last century which killed tens of milions of people mostly soldiers … So it would be wise if you can see a wider picture rather quoting the statistcs of today. Islam caters the need of all periods.
Saying that islam promotes poligamy is like saying islam promotes camal riding.
I wonder where you are seeing the majority here is die-hard fan of poligamy but i see none Still if you see them why dont you tell them that islam does not promote poligamy and it is allowed in right perspective ( which you know very well )
It is YOUR responsibility being a muslim that you STOP those who are saying or attributing wrong thing to your religion and guide them properly.
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It is saying like If *All the muslim men are going to blow themselve up they would easily annihilate the entire population of the world, this make no sense *
Having just one wife is like Hinduism, where a woman doesn't have any option of leading a satisfactory life should she be divorced or widowed or not married at a certain age.
Every woman deserves a chance to be loved again should she be divorced or widowed or not married in her youth...
Monogamy, as practised by Hindus and Christians robs the woman of another chance in life with another man...
Allah SWT has made it acceptable in ANY situation not just in times of war. As long as the man can treat his wives in an equal and just manner....it is his RIGHT...to marry up to 4 wives according to Islam! ALLAH has made this halal for them......who are we to take this right away from them and make it into something that is haram?
once again.....there is no particular situation in which a man is allowed to marry multiple wives....it is for all times and for any situation....as long as it is done in accordance to the Quran and Shariah.
you have no right to interpret it in any other way when the Quran and Shariah has made this right quite clear to all of us.
"....it is for all times and for any situation....as long as it is done in accordance to the Quran and Shariah.
you have no right to interpret it in any other way when the Quran and Shariah has made this right quite clear to all of us."
ok, the problem that I see here is that "accordance to Quran and Sharia" blows the whole issue wide open. From what I've read in the Koran, it is frowned upon unless its done for reasons mainly dealing with charity, it., the woman is widowed and cannot care for herself or her children.
The fact remains that there is absolutely NO reason for it in this day and age, the only thing polygamy provides is an "acceptable" way for the husband to cheat on his wife and to break the heart of his first wife.
While I'm quite sure that there may be a handful or so of polygamists who fall into the category of "acceptable", the very vast majority are horny *******s who dont give a whit about the feelings of their first wife.
Statistics dont mean sheet here, it goes without saying that its ludicrous for a man to have 2, let alone 4 wives. But we are HUMANS with feelings. It takes a really heartless, uncaring a**hole to bring in more than one wife. WHen you see these threads, its typically a teen with outta control hormones watching those desi love-movies and deluding himself into thinking that women will just fall over him even if they have to be the 2nd or 3rd or even 4th wife.
"....it is for all times and for any situation....as long as it is done in accordance to the Quran and Shariah.
you have no right to interpret it in any other way when the Quran and Shariah has made this right quite clear to all of us."
ok, the problem that I see here is that "accordance to Quran and Sharia" blows the whole issue wide open. From what I've read in the Koran, it is frowned upon unless its done for reasons mainly dealing with charity, it., the woman is widowed and cannot care for herself or her children.
The fact remains that there is absolutely NO reason for it in this day and age, the only thing polygamy provides is an "acceptable" way for the husband to cheat on his wife and to break the heart of his first wife.
While I'm quite sure that there may be a handful or so of polygamists who fall into the category of "acceptable", the very vast majority are horny *******s who dont give a whit about the feelings of their first wife.
Statistics dont mean sheet here, it goes without saying that its ludicrous for a man to have 2, let alone 4 wives. But we are HUMANS with feelings. It takes a really heartless, uncaring a**hole to bring in more than one wife. WHen you see these threads, its typically a teen with outta control hormones watching those desi love-movies and deluding himself into thinking that women will just fall over him even if they have to be the 2nd or 3rd or even 4th wife.
Dream on boys.
mamaof3....
NOTHING that Allah has made permissible is or should be frowned upon. The fact still remains....it is halal whether we agree with it or not.
Ms angel, try to understand what I'm getting at here. I mean eating PORK is ALSO ok....if you're starving and theres nothing else to eat, yeah?
Polygamy is no different.
If something is OK to do WITHIN certain limits, then those limits should be adhered to with extreme caution and with the understanding that there ARE limits and reasons in the first place.
Just saying "heck, its ALLOWED" just doesnt cut it.
If something is OK to do WITHIN certain limits, then those limits should be adhered to with extreme caution and with the understanding that there ARE limits and reasons in the first place.
Just saying "heck, its ALLOWED" just doesnt cut it.
there is a difference b/w eating pork and marrying up to 4 wives...one is halal the other is haram....no matter which way u look at it you cant compare the 2.
also....plz give me the ayah which states that marrying up to 4 wives is ONLY permissible if it's a "charity case"...i nvr recall reading such a thing. :)
I know that men tend to take this "right" to their advantage....and they do it for all the wrong reasons. This is unacceptable in Islam!! Regardless.... for those that do it for the right reasons and do it justly......it is their RIGHT....and should not be looked down upon.
Sorry, mr/ms angel, theres no difference. Both eating pork AND having multiple wives come with conditions and reasons, both are haram unless conditions make them halaal.
the surahs, quotes from Koran etc have been posted ad nauseum and I'm sorry but I dont have the patience to go find 'em.
I have said right from the start...that polygamy FOR THE RIGHT REASONS can be an honorable and charitable thing to do. I, myself, at one point was beginning to look for a 2nd wife for my hubby when I could not conceive. HOWEVER....I have never seen a polygamist who married a 2nd wife for other than lustful/disgusting reasons. And thats why these threads about "yukyuk, I wanna get ME 4 wifes" REALLY pisses me off. Guys who think like this are just a pimple on the ass of society.
"....it is for all times and for any situation....as long as it is done in accordance to the Quran and Shariah.
you have no right to interpret it in any other way when the Quran and Shariah has made this right quite clear to all of us."
ok, the problem that I see here is that "accordance to Quran and Sharia" blows the whole issue wide open. From what I've read in the Koran, it is frowned upon unless its done for reasons mainly dealing with charity, it., the woman is widowed and cannot care for herself or her children.
It doesn't actually say in the Quran that it has to be done for charitable reasons. As for the Shariah, please quote an authority that supports your argument.
No it doesn't. A husband who wanted to cheat on his wife would do it anyway, without any need to go through the rigmarole of marriage. Having four wives is not about cheating or breaking hearts. A man may wish to share of his spirit with a number of women, especially if he is a wealthy, powerful, but gentle man.
How do you know? How many have you met? You've not scoured the whole of the NWFP for polygamists have you?
I have met more than a fair share of polygamists over there. I guess I've met 5 or 6 polygamist men. They were without exception strutting roosters whose first wives were heartbroken but unable to divorce and so they remain trapped with their dckhead husbands who strut around while people just laugh at them behind their backs. 4 of the 6 that I met had their second wives because the 2nd one got pregnant and they did the - lol - "honorable" - thing by marrying them. The other 2 married girls that were almost as young as their own children. Spent their time in the bedroom with the little girls they married and when they werent doing that, they were bragging about it all. Somehow, I think if youre going to be that disgusting then you should keep your mouth shut and hire a prostitute for an hour or 3 to take care of your grossness to prevent the heartbreak that it causes for your wife, your children, your wifes family - and probably even your own family. I get so beside-myself-mad when I hear ANYONE proclaim that "ALLAH says its ok" then I see THIS SHEET....these families destroyed...the heartbreak it causes. How can ANYONE condone this kind of thing?????? And actually say (or think) that they can get by with it on the day of Judgement?!
Still if you see them why dont you tell them that islam does not promote poligamy and it is allowed in right perspective ( which you know very well )