Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
I would like those who agree with these drastic apostasy laws to explain why a man or woman born into a Muslim family has no right to change their religion?
Thanks
Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
I really hope I can get an answer for my question, I thould I would have done by now especially after three thousand views.
Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
I would like those who agree with these drastic apostasy laws to explain why a man or woman born into a Muslim family has no right to change their religion?
Thanks
I really hope I can get an answer for my question, I thould I would have done by now especially after three thousand views.
If we answer the question then we will essentially be agreeing to the idea that they are drastic. We will also be agreeing with the idea that a person has no right to change his religion. Blasphemy law is about protecting the religion from being disrespected by the enemies of that religion or treated like a game by those who want to be part of it today and not part of it tomorrow. I'm sorry though I can't answer your question - because I don't know where you have gotten that from. Please show us where it states in our religion that Muslims have no right to become non-Muslims?
Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
^ yeah they have the right to become non-muslims provided they are willing to die 
psyah man, you have a weird take on religion. You will twist and bend everything to fit your idea of how your religion should be. Most of your long verbose essays are full of circular logic and contradictions and end up confusing people instead of informing them what your take on the matter is.
If I were a non-muslim and you, or your hyper religious brethren, were offering me your version of islam, I wouldn’t want any part of it.
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^Psyah represents Islam, and his essays are inline with my and the muslim ummah's understanding of islam aswell. theres convert scholars black, white, brown and even pink who back up the views of Psyah. veiling attacks on islam by pointing at Psyah, its a cheap ploy and a compliment for him
as for you chacha ghalib, my views on you are not fit for a public forum, Psyah will have a more welcoming opinion due to his superior islamic knowledge. so appreciate his communications with you, he represents Islam well
do you actually want to discuss any of these subjects from Islamic point of view? ive seen you pass by with the odd (athiest/bahai/deist) comment here and there. although you do seem well integrated into your own community but your islamic knowledge does seem virtually non-existent
Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
Yeah, the good old ummah excuse. An abstract idea if there ever was one. Unity and muslims in the same sentence is a joke so spare me the lecture on the ummah backing psyah.
O the honour… I can’t tell you how honoured I feed that psyah has the courtesy to act like a human being and not trash talk, something that you admit you aren’t capable of
No, I don’t want to discuss anything with you. So take a hike.
Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
Peace chacha_Ghalib
Your first sentence is how you have casted a false idea on what I believe, then you start to talk about my writing style … which has nothing to do with reality and it does not even follow from your initial statement. My logic is not circular. At times it may have to be iterative, or when I’m defining things through tautological statements … By nature a definition is a circular statement, but that does not make it false. A circular argument is only weak logic because it does not bring external factors to arbitrate the argument. It does make it inherently false, to say a circular argument when presented is proof … But I never make those claims.
Islam is about signs … There is a point where we must put trust and follow without rationalising, without looking for proof … But we soak up our experiences into a database of reflections and use those reflections against the principles to gauge how the religion that we have put trust in is returning to us that sense of peace … If we see it working it allows us to put more and more trust into it … Logic is important to learn it is called mantiq in Arabic … People have been learning it for a long time and teaching it on … If you want to talk about logic then pick up a statement I have made and assess it for logic. Don’t just claim that I do not speak with logic …
You have made your mind up about religion, so have I … So your posts are demonstrating your point of view and my posts demonstrate mine … You need not give me all the credit or blame should I say for my beliefs … because I have not made them … I merely submit to what I have been given through official channels. I have no right to make up my own beliefs.
Regarding your take on ummah and unity … I’m inclined to agree with you, but not because I think the ummah is disunited and hence there in fact is no such thing as consensus … Rather the opposite … Much of the ummah … 85 % of it profess to a form of belief that is consistent … Where the deviation occurs unfortunately is on ethnic, lingual, territorial grounds … Worldliness has made us disunited in practice … Not our beliefs, but by proxy our level of adherence to our beliefs and the role they play in our lives has been replaced by materialistic consumerism … The Bengalis and Pakistanis for example are misaligned not on belief at all … But on a racial and political grudge.
The few Muslim groups who are not considered unified in belief … All of them were initially a political deviation that led to a religious one in the long run.
Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
Assalamu’alaikum ya akhi
I don’t how I’m going to recover from that ego injection … I would just like to reciprocate your sentiments and add there have been many instances where you have clarified things and corrected me … So I’m truly humbled that you have that opinion about me, because I do hope I’m in line with my statements and the likes of yourself who endorse them gives me reassurance.
Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
I believe that through Salat we are creating / maintaining / sustaining our own relationship with Allah. In that same manner our understanding of Islam is personal. This "no, my Islam" "no, my Islam" tug of war wastes time and breeds hatred.
Show me through actions not just words. I've heard so many muslims say different things on the exact same topic and its all ego talking!!
It's between me and Allah and no one else.
Islam is practical and uses common sense, if any teaching goes against being peaceful and submitting to the Will of Allah, to me it's wrong.
Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?
This topic raises a good necessary and bold question, in these days of political correctness. My own observation is that whenever something bad is done in the name of Islam, non-Muslims blame the religion Islam and Muslims say it is the people and not the religion. Whenever something good is done, it is the opposite. Unfortunately if you go by published media, more bad thi GS happen tha good and so Muslims have developed a sense of victimization and seige.
It does nit help that the level of real education is quite low Muslim and M,slim majority countries. Again, Muslims see this as a result of being victimized whereas others see it as a trait borne out of unwillingness or unacceptance of modernity.
It has been frustrating that for decades now there have been dozens of Muslims in leading terror and very few who are recognized as leaders in science, art, music, literature, statesmanship and other positive things. So what role model do the Muslim youth have!