Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?

[psyah]

Re: Have Muslims made a mockery of Islam?

@chacha_Ghalib

^ yeah they have the right to become non-muslims provided they are willing to die

psyah man, you have a weird take on religion. You will twist and bend everything to fit your idea of how your religion should be. Most of your long verbose essays are full of circular logic and contradictions and end up confusing people instead of informing them what your take on the matter is.

If I were a non-muslim and you, or your hyper religious brethren, were offering me your version of islam, I wouldn’t want any part of it.

Peace chacha_Ghalib

Your first sentence is how you have casted a false idea on what I believe, then you start to talk about my writing style … which has nothing to do with reality and it does not even follow from your initial statement. My logic is not circular. At times it may have to be iterative, or when I’m defining things through tautological statements … By nature a definition is a circular statement, but that does not make it false. A circular argument is only weak logic because it does not bring external factors to arbitrate the argument. It does make it inherently false, to say a circular argument when presented is proof … But I never make those claims.

Islam is about signs … There is a point where we must put trust and follow without rationalising, without looking for proof … But we soak up our experiences into a database of reflections and use those reflections against the principles to gauge how the religion that we have put trust in is returning to us that sense of peace … If we see it working it allows us to put more and more trust into it … Logic is important to learn it is called mantiq in Arabic … People have been learning it for a long time and teaching it on … If you want to talk about logic then pick up a statement I have made and assess it for logic. Don’t just claim that I do not speak with logic …

You have made your mind up about religion, so have I … So your posts are demonstrating your point of view and my posts demonstrate mine … You need not give me all the credit or blame should I say for my beliefs … because I have not made them … I merely submit to what I have been given through official channels. I have no right to make up my own beliefs.

Regarding your take on ummah and unity … I’m inclined to agree with you, but not because I think the ummah is disunited and hence there in fact is no such thing as consensus … Rather the opposite … Much of the ummah … 85 % of it profess to a form of belief that is consistent … Where the deviation occurs unfortunately is on ethnic, lingual, territorial grounds … Worldliness has made us disunited in practice … Not our beliefs, but by proxy our level of adherence to our beliefs and the role they play in our lives has been replaced by materialistic consumerism … The Bengalis and Pakistanis for example are misaligned not on belief at all … But on a racial and political grudge.

The few Muslim groups who are not considered unified in belief … All of them were initially a political deviation that led to a religious one in the long run.