Re: Hashmi waits for invite for Pti Multan jalsa
we have stated our respective positions on hashmi so no need for me to respond on that topic anymore.
you made several personal observations…so i can respond to those..your comments in green
“Seems like the only acknowledgement or condemnation (if you can call it that) is one line statement suggesting ‘yes I know PPP and PMLN are corrupt’ and that’s about it. You’d think the amount of damages these parties have done to Pakistan (not mere actions that merely hurt their parties) you would think the so called educated and independent and oh so wannabe different folks would spend bit more time and energy condemning them, considering these parties are the biggest mafia in the country”
In PTI book, the moment you criticize PTI or Khan for anything you are immediately booked as a noora, PPP jayala, MQM lover or status quo lover because PTI is THE champion of democratic values and naya Pakistan. If the idea is to put a detailed disclaimer out there every-time that I do criticize and reject PPP, PMLN and MQM politics and then open your mouth to criticize PTI, then I am sorry that is not how debates are done… and even if they do that, people like you will call them fake nooras and all other symbols.
*“Despite all that, the amount of disgustingly disproportionate amount of Holier than thou bashing I see for PTI certainly makes it look like either people implicitly support the corruption of Nawaz Leeg or they simply do not care. Their chest thumping selective morality only becomes activated when the subject is PTI. Why they obsessively nit pick, write long finicky posts scrutinising everything from Imran’s hair cut, to his sleep pattern to his every statement obviously shows that rotten corruption of Nawaz Leeg, bad incompetency, incompetency are not criminal enough - it doesn’t get the heads rolling. There is not point highlighting them. But despite the annoyance, it is extraordinary to see everyone - supporters, critics, haters, zealots - consumed by percept of PTI”
PTI *has a new agenda and champion of change/naya pakistan so obviously they will be scrutinized more. This is how it will be done in every country. when lotas will join PMLN or PPP who cares but when PTI will accept them, there will be far more noise. when KPK govt will fail on many important delivery parameters, they will be criticized more…when PPP will fail to deliver in sindh, it shd be criticized but it will never be a new thing. their history is is infront of everyone. PMLN and PPP are not talking about change. They want to preserve the current system. we know that and criticize that but do we need to put a disclaimer everytime we open our mouth?
and yes PT shd be credited for all good things as well i.e. exposing PMLN and PPP politics, trying for electoral reforms.
**I have said it so many times that if we get electoral reforms via imran it will be his ehsam azeem. you obviously never noted those comments.
and by the way and more specifically speaking, I have criticized shahbaz and PMLN so heavilty on flood issues and the way they handled flood mgmt… and i have done that many times.**
kindly tell me one time, when you or any PTIan has ever criticized imran or PTI for anything. I mean Khan cannot be perfect.
***“But I really don’t what you trying to suggest providing yourself as an example. Are you suggesting that you are so perfect that you have never bad mouthed a politician ever, lol (or the PTI leadership) or you just badmouth people when they switch parties? You maybe a different case altogether, but people who usually identify with a certain organisation, see themselves as part of group do react when they feel a collective sense of betrayal and anger by person they once trusted. It is called human nature. Despite SMQ being the most senior and prolific parliamentarian from PPP, the Jiyalas on this board don’t even prefer to call him by his name, they simply call him lota”
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*I am not declaring myself a farishta who never criticizes any politician. You did not read my post. I do not criticize some politicians who have my respect but i do badmouth many many others regardless of the party. That is exactly what i said. hell i even gave example of khawaja asif of PMLN to make my point.
All i am saying that I (and I am sure many like me) will rather take things on merit or case by case when it comes to criticizing political parties or politicla leaders instead of simply following a party no matter what. Raza rabani, aitzaz, javed hashmi, asad umaar, arif alvi and few others have genuine respect among public and if they switc or leave parties, they will not lose my respect right away. These people have their lives for a certain agenda and party. They established their credibility for a reason…
but then we have thousands of political personalities in every party which have no respect among people and we know them. They are waderas, pirs, jagirdars, industrialists and they and their families change parties like we change our dress. No matter which party they chose to go to, they will be labelled bad. and yes i will not respect them and yes SMQ is one of them. That is all I am saying
and on SMQ…lets see when he leaves PTI, how PTIans react. I am waiting!