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You know Chimps have also been seen to take part in warfare… Its pretty savage. So perhaps that lends credence to the inter relatedness of our two species. They are apparently our closest cousins, and they kill each other just as we do.
Here is a fascinating article on it by the NY times. It seems we have inherited a common trait for blood letting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/science/22chimp.html
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more proof
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^ Cesar is home
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Jokes aside … but this is no surprise ..
Sahih International
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, “Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority.” They said, “Will You place upon it **one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood
**, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?” Allah said, “Indeed, I know that which you do not know
.”
Surat Al-Baqarah [2:30] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???
You see even the angels saw animals as being like humans … but as God said … He Knows what they do not know
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reading surah jumah or surah jinn (can't remember which one) for 40 days and a jin appears in their window?
....
Its true and it works, in my case a churail appeared - Latter I realized it was my GF... So be careful... :)
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From my reading I would interpret this to mean that the angels understood the nature of man. It is not a comparison between animals and humans, but a comparison of man to the Angeles themselves.
Infact, if anything it implies that the angels felt that the presence of mankind on earth, would introduce it to corruption and blood letting, as such was the sole nature of man alone, unique to our species and not shared by other beings. Hence one could conclude that if such evils are unique to man, then any species other then our own to share our lust for killing must intact be related to us somehow. Thus we and the chimp evolved from common ancestor.
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Cesear was meant to contrast humanity. The irony being an ape can be more human then most human… get it! Ohhhh!
And why not. We are related species.
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Cesear was meant to contrast humanity. The irony being an ape can be more human then most human... get it! Ohhhh!
And why not. We are related species.
There is no doubt about it ... We are siblings in Created life ...
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From my reading I would interpret this to mean that the angels understood the nature of man. It is not a comparison between animals and humans, but a comparison of man to the Angeles themselves. Infact, if anything it implies that the angels felt that the presence of mankind on earth, would introduce it to corruption and blood letting, as such was the sole nature of man alone, unique to our species and not shared by other beings. Hence one could conclude that if such evils are unique to man, then any species other then our own to share our lust for killing must intact be related to us somehow. Thus we and the chimp evolved from common ancestor.:)
Peace Med911
That reading is not accurate ... No one can look at something and judge what it is going to be like - unless they have a "similar" thing to compare it with ... And this applies to humans who have heaps of intuition ... Now we are talking about angels here ...
Also you are ignoring the response given to the angel by Allah (SWT) "I know that which you do not know" ... and prior to the angels seeing the form of Adam (AS) they had never before seen a "human" ... merely something that resembled us they would be unable to make such an assessment of the human being - flawed as it was ...
In terms of invoking their own example - they said this because according to their understanding (at the time) it seemed reasonable for an angel to be in that position, because they are innocent and praising all the time ...
Your final conclusion is also false - because it necessitates that chimps are also subject to law, good and bad, judgement, sentence and hence will go to hell or heaven too ... it is because you are drawing a similarity with them and humans so much so that you are binding them to a moral framework that in any reasonable sense cannot be applied to them ... they are animals - we are only physically 'animal' ...
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Peace Med911
That reading is not accurate ... No one can look at something and judge what it is going to be like - unless they have a "similar" thing to compare it with ... And this applies to humans who have heaps of intuition ... Now we are talking about angels here ...
Also you are ignoring the response given to the angel by Allah (SWT) "I know that which you do not know" ... and prior to the angels seeing the form of Adam (AS) they had never before seen a "human" ... merely something that resembled us they would be unable to make such an assessment of the human being - flawed as it was ...
In terms of invoking their own example - they said this because according to their understanding (at the time) it seemed reasonable for an angel to be in that position, because they are innocent and praising all the time ...
Your final conclusion is also false - because it necessitates that chimps are also subject to law, good and bad, judgement, sentence and hence will go to hell or heaven too ... it is because you are drawing a similarity with them and humans so much so that you are binding them to a moral framework that in any reasonable sense cannot be applied to them ... they are animals - we are only physically 'animal' ...
My reading is informed by the conclusion that evolution is real and that we are descendants of ape like ancestors, and so my interpretation is naturally within the context of established science. Khair accuracy in this case is in the eye of the beholder.
Ofcourse the angels would compare to themselves, and so they did have something to compare man to, themselves if nothing else.
I assume that angels have existed for an unimaginably long time, and so they are as as wise as they are old. So what they saw in man I don't know, but whatever it was, it wasn't great. Correct me if I'm wrong, but humans have one thing that over all differentiates them from Angels. That being free will and capacity to make choices. Angels understand that creating a being that has the potential for corruption will more then likely be corrupted. Thats obvious.
Although, from an evolution standpoint, the angels may simply have regarded the violence of our non Human ancestors as precedence.
God saying "I know what you do not" I think can imply that God simply knows the potential of mankind. Angels obviously do not have the foresight that God possesses, and so while their conclusions are based on their understanding of the past and the present, God being outside the bounds of time and Space, can see well beyond the Angels, the true scope of man.
As far as the Chimps go. We have discovered much about the conscience of other animals, especially or nearest cousins. They have been found to be capable of not only immense cruelty, but they are also capable of love, of friendship. They are able to communicate, to reason, to understand. As social groups they are very similar to us, as many are generous, many are bullies, they understand the group dynamic. They understand fairness and justice, however rudimentary, they even yearn for revenge as some research as shown. They are more human then we give them credit for.
Perhaps they too will be judged. But I suspect they are akin to children, or people with developmental disabilities. They are innocent to the extent that while they possess those traits for which one can be judged, they lack a certain aspect of the psyche that would make the accountable.
I get ahead of myself, only God knows who is innocent and who is not, or who is fit for judgement and who is not. I think you assume to much when you conclude the chimps are not open judgment.
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reading surah jumah or surah jinn (can't remember which one) for 40 days and a jin appears in their window?
sorry if im getting it wrong, do correct me...but it's something like that....
sorah JIN try to read 1000 time 40 days u will see result INSHALLAH
don,t forget to share on gs, later on i will tell u my story
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sorah JIN try to read 1000 time 40 days u will see result INSHALLAH
don,t forget to share on gs, letter on i will tell u my story
tell now :@:
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sorah JIN try to read 1000 time 40 days u will see result INSHALLAH
don,t forget to share on gs, letter on i will tell u my story
share now, if you would like.
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share now, if you would like.
college time me and some of my friends read sorah jin almost 40 time jins came in our dreams , i was sleeping on charpai they put my charpai on the roof , when i waked up did tobah tobah no more sorah jin
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college time me and some of my friends read sorah jin almost 40 time jins came in our dreams , i was sleeping on charpai they put my charpai on the roof , when i waked up did tobah tobah no more sorah jin
none of this happened.
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Med911,
I would like to add, if the quranic book was true and all magical and totally not made up, people would use it in top science, medical, astronomy, physics, biology journals as evidence for their theories on our conditions. Religion and folks like psyah can mend the argument all they want in forums online, but unless they appear on top research journals with these silly opinions, BREAKING the arguments of stephen hawkins and niel degrasse tysons, they are delusional.
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^This book is a book of sign not book of science. Hence the book which was revealed some fourteen centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists. It is beyond reason that anyone some fourteen hundred years ago would have known these facts discovered or proven only recently with advanced equipment and sophisticated scientific methods.
Depends on individuals how they take it.
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Med911,
I would like to add, if the quranic book was true and all magical and totally not made up, people would use it in top science, medical, astronomy, physics, biology journals as evidence for their theories on our conditions. Religion and folks like psyah can mend the argument all they want in forums online, but unless they appear on top research journals with these silly opinions, BREAKING the arguments of stephen hawkins and niel degrasse tysons, they are delusional.
Well thats why its called faith and not science. Science demands collaborating evidence. Faith requires belief for the sake of belief. Its all good in my book. As long as you don't allow one to hinder the other.
The role of Science is to tell us the "how" of life, while the role of religion is to tell us the 'why" of life.
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^This book is a book of sign not book of science. Hence the book which was revealed some fourteen centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists. It is beyond reason that anyone some fourteen hundred years ago would have known these facts discovered or proven only recently with advanced equipment and sophisticated scientific methods.
Depends on individuals how they take it.
Whatever science was apparently revealed 1400 years ago is irrelevant is it not... The truth of Islam lies in Islam, It does not require scientific validation.
Ultimately I think varsity of our faith is determined by the individual experience of it. If your faith creates within you the that peace and hidayat that you require to lead a fulfilling life, that in itself is proof enough.
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college time me and some of my friends read sorah jin almost 40 time jins came in our dreams , i was sleeping on charpai they put my charpai on the roof , when i waked up did tobah tobah no more sorah jin
While I don't doubt your sincerity, how can you be certain your friends weren't the jinn that night? Human friends have been known to exhibit jinn lie behavior on occasion.