Hamza Yusuf at it again

Now here is a guy who, rather than wasting his time splitting academic points about who is and isn’t a Muslim, and pointing accusing fingers at everyone, and wasting his time fighting away like an idiot, actually does some good for Muslims as a whole. Thank God for people like Hamza Yusuf. He’ll be participating in a global q-and-a session on BBC on 9th September. You can post your questions/comments by following the link.

Viewpoint: What the West can learn from Islam, Imam Hamza Yusuf, BBC, September 2003

Hamza Yusuf Hanson is an American convert to Islam. He is an outspoken advocate of better understanding between the Muslim world and the West.

Writing in the third century, the Arab poet Mutanabbi describes how a recipient of another’s largesse will usually respond with either indebtedness or resentment :

‘A generous soul is bought when it receives, a vile one returns good done with disease.’

Your response to another’s good toward you determines your nature.

If good in nature, you will respond with indebtedness and respect; if vile, with resentment and envy.

Many of us in the West feel anger and resentment toward Islam and Muslims.

Often this is justified in our minds by the anger and resentment Muslims appear to have toward the West.

But what is largely at work is what is properly termed “the fallacy of personification,” in which an abstract is referred to as though it were a person. For instance, in the Muslim world one can hear cries of “Death to America!”, but what is America? What is the UK?

It is impossible for us to really pin down the concept of America or the West and point to either of them; they are abstractions that do not have any real existence.

Is the America, that perhaps much of the Muslim world would like to see die, the 63-year-old schoolteacher from Florida who, just prior to the air bombardment of Baghdad and against her country’s laws, flew to Iraq to serve as a human shield in protest of what “America” was doing?

What too is Islam or Muslims? Is there some monolithic entity we can point to and say, “There it is!”? Is Islam Muhammad Ali, one of the most loved and recognized athletes in the world?

It might behove us to learn more about this religion and its followers, especially considering the fact that we are talking about one sixth of humanity and a people who occupy a geographical area that extends from Asia to Africa latitudinally, and from Russia to South Africa longitudinally, not to mention the over 30 million Muslims living in the West.

In America alone, for example, there are over 15,000 Muslim physicians. David Letterman, the American comedian, could say on national television, “I went to my doctor today and he said, ‘Turn to Mecca and cough’” because millions of Americans would easily get the joke.

**Our world is increasingly interdependent and pluralistic, and in order to ensure a civil future, we must get to know one another. One of the most important ways to do this is to know what our different cultures have given to the world community.

All peoples have contributed to the overall progress and enhancement of human life.

To be aware of others’ accomplishments and the indebtedness we have to so many people is to appreciate and begin to respect all members of the human family.**

In a time when enmity and hatred are being exploited for personal and collective agendas, nothing is more important than eliminating the ground of hatred, and ignorance has always been the most fertile soil for the seeds of hatred.

In the case of Islam, this is especially true, and it is important that we reduce the unfortunate level of ignorance that presently exists in the West toward Islam as a religion and Muslims as a diverse people if we are to prevent hatred.

Western people can increase their understanding of Islam and Muslims in two ways. First, we can find out about the almost unbelievable influence that Muslims have had on the progress and enhancement of life in the West.

In doing so, we will not only come to value the Muslims as a people more, but we will also come to esteem other peoples, such as the Chinese, from whom the Muslims brought so many inventions and goods to the West.

The second way we can foster better understanding is learning how Islam and Muslims can contribute to solving the very real problems of the present and future. Prince Charles, for instance, made a pertinent point in a speech to the Oxford Center for Islamic Studies when he remarked that the West must learn from Islam how to integrate science and religion, an area at which the Muslims have historically proved adept.

**Indeed, there is much the West can learn from the congruity of science and true religion so often mentioned in the Koran itself. **

The West can also learn from Islam how to deal with the problem of race. Arnold Toynbee mentions in a prescient and compelling essay written in the 1940’s the extraordinary success Islam had in remedying the race problem and declared that the West had a great deal to learn from Islam.

He felt the danger of a race war was quite imminent in the world, and seeing the possibility of that war being launched in Muslim lands against the conquering West, he felt it was important to conciliate Islam and acknowledge the immense power it has had in freeing a large part of the world’s population from segregation and exploitation by recognizing and affirming the brotherhood of the “children of Adam and Eve.”

The Koran declares, “We have made you a plurality of races and tribes for you to know each other.”

If we reflect on the animosities that exist today as a result of ignorance and stereotyping of other people, it is easy to recognize that “knowing one another” is one of the most pressing moral obligations challenging humanity today.

Martin Luther King said, “If we don’t live as brothers, we will die as fools.”

The human family is a great one and the Muslim branch is certainly worth knowing.

A fine man. A sufi-sunni and leading scholar in the English language in the world. His peaceful approach is the face of Islam we need, not that Saudi branch terror look. He is my fave scholar and the imam whom I follow.

Love this brother.

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He is indeed a fine man.

May Allah reward him for his efforts Insha'Allah.

Since he used to live quite close to our place, and would sometimes come in to deliver the Friday sermon, I have had quite a number of opportunities to listen to him. He is a mesmerizing speaker and very knowledgable.

The last time I went to Pakistan, I met quite a few people who knew Hamza Yusuf. They claimed that they totally respected the guy due to his knowledge and the amazing work he is doing to spread the word of Islam. However, they raised pointed criticism at Hamza Yusuf in how he spoke in the White House after Sep 11, and criticized the terrorists and tried to distance mainstream Islam from the few terrorists who had killed thousands of civilians. These people in Pakistan thought this made Hamza into a traitor and that he should never had spoken against the "muslim brothers" and should never had sided with the American President.

Frankly I was surprised to hear this argument. I think many people in Pakistan and in rest of the world are not aware of the intricasies of American geo-political culture. At a safe distance, they feel every thing is white or black. Just as GWB said "you are either with us or against us". There is no middle ground. What folks like HY accomplished in that post-Sep-11 time is to bridge a lot of misconceptions. That was a tall order. Most Americans don't know whats happening outside their city, much less across the world. Had little knowledge of Islam and muslims, and were it not for the efforts of people like HY, might have thought that the whole 1.4 billion muslims in the world violent, ignorant and are bent upon crashing aeroplanes in Manhattan. Nothing can be farther from the truth and that message needed to be conveyed.

muslims have to get their own house in order first. speaking out againts a muslim brother.. what a load of crap. Hamza yusuf didn't do anything wrong. those 'muslims brothers' did.

i know there is a hadith thats just perfecr for this argument. can't remember it thought ..

He also wrote/said somewhere the following.

"Modern technology is just an example of when people's goals are totally distorted. Modern technology arose out of very strong corporate interests in creating the massification of society where everybody needs a TV or a stereo. This doesn't mean that Islam is against technology. Technology, by its nature, is everything that humans produce. And by our nature we do make things. Islamic technology would be very humane. To serve people as opposed to the opposite. Muslims do not believe in progress. Progress is completely antithetical to the Islamic doctrine. Muslims believe that human society reached its pinnacle in Medina in the 7th century. This is the best society that has ever existed. The verse which says "Today We have completed your Religion..." made Umar (ra) weep because he realized that nothing is ever completed except that it begins to decrease.

If the goal of life is to establish Deen, then that is the highest progress that humans can achieve and therefore all this modern technological madness is an exteriorization of the human impulse to know. Because we have become such gross materialists, all of our intellectual and spiritual endeavors have been completely centered and focused on the outward, the "Dhahir" and the inside has been completely forgotten. Now there is even a massive interest in how we can preserve this life here, manifested by studies in cryonics, genetic engineering and cloning."

--Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Imam of Zaytuna Institute, California

I have also watched a video reportedly recorded on a weekend before 9/11(Tuesday) - 3 days before 9/11, where Hamza Yousaf is heard saying on the stage in very confident and roaring voice...something to the effect..This Country(USA) is rotten and evil and it needs to be defeated and turned into Islamic. Of course by Tuesday evening he was the most liberal dude hanging around White House presenting the real picture of deen.

Most of you are going ga-ga over it because he is a white convert and looks good in beard and speaks flawless english...

Forgot to mention in the first post; this is the website of the Zaytuna Institute which was founded by Hamza Yusuf and Dr. Hesham Alalusi.

Sorry too burst your bubble people but Hamza yusuf is not a good scholar in my opinion.

When the real test was put upon him he failed and the test i am talking about Sept 11. He showed his true colors.

And it is real ironic he is pushed back onto the scene on sept 11 2003!

Hamza Yusuf :Jihad is probably one of the highest concepts that the Arabs and the Muslims have. It represents really the best of humankind. In the Qur'aan it is never once used to express a military meaning. Not once.

here he is saying jihad is not military even 7 year old kids in palestine know jihad is to expel the israel occupiers from the land!

Hamza Yusuf: There's no Islamic declaration of war against the United States. I think every Muslim country except Afghanistan has an embassy in this country. And in Islam, a country where you have embassies is not considered a belligerent country.

I think this guy is dreaming the US is bombarding the muslims lands with everything they got!

Hamza Yusuf: Shaheed. It means witness. The martyr is the one who witnesses the truth and gives his life for it. There are people in this country like Martin Luther King who would be considered a martyr for his cause.

So Martin " i have a dream as a Xstian" luther king is now a martyr, subhanallah i assumed a martyr is the one who dies in the cause of islam not kufr!

Hamza Yusuf: If there are any martyrs in this affair it would certainly be those brave firefighters and police that went in there to save human lives and in that process lost their own.

according to yusuf non-Muslim firefighters and police o sept 11 who lost their lives are shuhadaa' and will not have accountability on the Day of Judgement !

Hamza yusuf has much greater knowledge than me or many on this forum, but that does not give him the luxury or liberty of making such basic errors and confusing the ummah with such statements which clearly contradict islam!

I hope he will correct his statements and set the record straight otherwise it is duty of muslims to inform him of this, because a muslim is like a mirror of another muslim if they did or said something wrong then it there duty to inform and correct them!

i saw him on bbc today. he talked about his speech that day, the one he made a week or two before Sept 11. he said that he regretted what he had said, and it wasn't the right thing to say.

here it is; (its an article with his quote in the end)

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It is as though he has gone through a second, possibly more radical conversion than the first from Christianity. He regrets speeches he himself has made in the past, peppered as they were with the occasional angry statements about Jews and America that are a staple of much Muslim oratory. Days before the September 11 killings, he made a speech warning that "a great, great tribulation was coming" to America. He is sorry for saying that now.

"September 11 was a wake-up call to me," he says. "I don't want to contribute to the hate in any shape or form. I now regret in the past being silent about what I have heard in the Islamic discourse and being part of that with my own anger."

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ak, maybe you can also correct those 19 misguided souls how crashed the planes on sept 11. just write it out, even though they're dead.

So now we have one set of people trying to prove he is too much of a conservative mullah and another set of people trying to prove he is too much of a liberal. The very oxymoronic nature of both allegations proves he is right in the middle.

Then again, some of you will come back and say he doesn't know jack about Islam because he is unwilling to defend the attacks on WTC and failed to "protect" his "muslim brothers". ak47 just proved the point I had previously made.

There seems to be a big disconnect between people like ak47 and what is happening around the world in the muslim ummah. Most Muslims are trying to distance themselves from the extremist, violent elements who attacked unarmed civilians in New York, while some others are bent upon glorifying them and treating them as "muslim brothers" who achieved a great aim of hitting the big satan right in its seat of power. They are the same people who will bitterly attack anyone who says that the attack on Sep 11 was wrong.

Any one who criticizes this brother is an idiot and in the pocket of Saudi fanatics.

Hamza should be the new Caliph.

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Then again, some of you will come back and say he doesn't know jack about Islam because he is unwilling to defend the attacks on WTC and failed to "protect" his "muslim brothers". ak47 just proved the point I had previously made.

There seems to be a big disconnect between people like ak47 and what is happening around the world in the muslim ummah. Most Muslims are trying to distance themselves from the extremist, violent elements who attacked unarmed civilians in New York, while some others are bent upon glorifying them and treating them as "muslim brothers" who achieved a great aim of hitting the big satan right in its seat of power. They are the same people who will bitterly attack anyone who says that the attack on Sep 11 was wrong.
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Faisal personal attacks not allowed on this forum but if you want to call me an extremist then say it clearly and bring your evidence so that i can refute on facts and not on sly remarks.

Secondly nobody ask hamza yusuf to defend WTC attacks and nobody is praising killing of innocent civillians don't know where you get that from, just asking this brother politely not to make very basic contradictory remarks about islam.

thirdly I don't belive muslims attacked WTC alone, because i don't trust america especially its government they are well known liars and weapons of mass destruction is a perfect example.

You presented an opinion and I commented on that opinion. There is no personal attack as such. If you don't want others to comment on your opinions, then don't share it. Simple as that.

You put some of HY's comments and dissected them one by one to prove that he is incorrect in his interpretation. You started off by saying that "Hamza yusuf is not a good scholar in my opinion". That is all fine, because these are just that: your opinions. But that don't make them right. Now, does it?

I'll get back to your post next.

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Hamza Yusuf :Jihad is probably one of the highest concepts that the Arabs and the Muslims have. It represents really the best of humankind. In the Qur'aan it is never once used to express a military meaning. Not once.

here he is saying jihad is not military even 7 year old kids in palestine know jihad is to expel the israel occupiers from the land!
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Instead of making a vague statement, wouldn't it be better for you to prep your post with a direct quote from the Quran which explains jehad in terms of military meaning?

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Hamza Yusuf: There's no Islamic declaration of war against the United States. I think every Muslim country except Afghanistan has an embassy in this country. And in Islam, a country where you have embassies is not considered a belligerent country.

I think this guy is dreaming the US is bombarding the muslims lands with everything they got!
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Again you are not answering the quote. Please list all the muslim countries who have waged war on USA. If you say that there is no muslim state presently, then your point is moot, again.

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Hamza Yusuf: Shaheed. It means witness. The martyr is the one who witnesses the truth and gives his life for it. There are people in this country like Martin Luther King who would be considered a martyr for his cause.

So Martin " i have a dream as a Xstian" luther king is now a martyr, subhanallah i assumed a martyr is the one who dies in the cause of islam not kufr!
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"who would be considered a martyr for his cause" this is what he said. Muslims don't have sole rights over the word "martyr". Anyone can be a martyr. What exactly is your point?

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Hamza Yusuf: If there are any martyrs in this affair it would certainly be those brave firefighters and police that went in there to save human lives and in that process lost their own.

according to yusuf non-Muslim firefighters and police o sept 11 who lost their lives are shuhadaa' and will not have accountability on the Day of Judgement !
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Are you just clarifying what he said, or are you disputing what he said? If you are disputing than bring your argument in the light of Quran and Sunnah to prove why those who gave up their lives to save fellow human beings should be denied the title of "martyr". Again, remember, the word "martyr" is not the sole domain of muslims.

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Hamza yusuf has much greater knowledge than me or many on this forum, but that does not give him the luxury or liberty of making such basic errors and confusing the ummah with such statements which clearly contradict islam!
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First bring your evidence in the light of Quran and sunnah, so we can see who is making "basic errors" and is creating confusion. Then we will decide who is contradicting Islam and who is not. Fair enough?

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A fine man. A sufi-sunni and leading scholar in the English language in the world. His peaceful approach is the face of Islam we need, not that Saudi branch terror look. He is my fave scholar and the imam whom I follow.

Love this brother.
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You might want to follow the Qadiyyani form of Islam as well...No terror in there either...No Jihad, no nothing...You can lie down on your back and let people push you down and walk all over you...Now That's real peaceful...The tyrants will love you for making their job easier...

Of course the Quran teaches that you need to fight with swords to eradicate injustice...You might want to follow a different Quran too since it exhorts violence to fight against oppression...

And your name is very violent too...It means blood...Now that's not a very peaceful name, is it...

Noman bhai, if I agree with Americans on one thing, it's this...To preserve peace blood must flow...

If you are a Muslim today, it's because there were people who raised their swords and died to preserve Islam...Rhetoric can only go so far...

Next time if a mad dog attacks you perhaps you can talk some sense into him...Killing him would be such violence...

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Noman bhai, if I agree with Americans on one thing, it's this...To preserve peace blood must flow...

If you are a Muslim today, it's because there were people who raised their swords and died to preserve Islam...Rhetoric can only go so far...

Next time if a mad dog attacks you perhaps you can talk some sense into him...Killing him would be such violence...
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dude ... lets stick with the topic at hand . america is not a single entity, with one thought. it is a country where 15 million muslims live, and practise their religion. islam is the fastest growing religion here, and i can bet that it is not because of Mr Osama, or even muslims living in muslim countries. it is because of the muslims living in america, practising their religion, and showing a side of islam that they might not see in muslim countries.

it pisses off muslims when they're called terrorists... true some of us are terrorists, but the majority isn't. similarly, the americans aren't anti -muslim. some might be, but dont paint everyone with the same brush.

your example of a mad dog is pretty lame. next time you have an argument with someone, screw the sane thing to do like talking it out, just kill the *******, and there will be peace.

and i'm sure hamza yusuf is not against Jihad, but there is a time and place for jihad, and it is not upto the local muhala maulvi (even if it is a muhala in saudi) to declare jihad on anything.

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dude ... lets stick with the topic at hand . america is not a single entity, with one thought. it is a country where 15 million muslims live, and practise their religion. islam is the fastest growing religion here, and i can bet that it is not because of Mr Osama, or even muslims living in muslim countries. it is because of the muslims living in america, practising their religion, and showing a side of islam that they might not see in muslim countries.

it pisses off muslims when they're called terrorists... true some of us are terrorists, but the majority isn't. similarly, the americans aren't anti -muslim. some might be, but dont paint everyone with the same brush.

your example of a mad dog is pretty lame. next time you have an argument with someone, screw the sane thing to do like talking it out, just kill the ****, and there will be peace.*

and i'm sure hamza yusuf is not against Jihad, but there is a time and place for jihad, and it is not upto the local muhala maulvi (even if it is a muhala in saudi) to declare jihad on anything.
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This sentence just reminds me of the poor Sikh guys who got killed by mad dogs after 9/11...:(

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This sentence just reminds me of the poor Sikh guys who got killed by mad dogs after 9/11...:(
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remids me of that gora reporter that got his throat slit in pakistan.

Guys, guys.... Hamza Yusuf, pls! :)

Daniel Pearl was an Israeli spy...Spies deserve death...

Hamza Yusuf is a great speaker however...