Why should Pakistan even consider listening to a group that carries out the unislamic act of suicide bombings?
There was huge hue and cry from Pakistan directed at the OIC members and islamic countries that they should 'support' pakistan's cause because they're a muslim country. So why can't hamas expect the same 'courtesy' from pakistan in their cause? (Mind you I think not recognizing Israel is plain silly considering Pakistan has had covert arms deals with them in the past).
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shawaiz by your own statement you said israel is struggling for its survival. so even using the logical argument it has less chance than the ussr example to survive.
Yes the US is supporter of israel but for how long
Lord palmerston quoted famously for the British State "We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual and those interests it is our duty to follow"
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I won't be surprised if all statesmen of the world consider these words
to be an eternal truth...National security decisions are not tied to moral values.
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this is the same for any imperialist capitalist state with no morals in particular the US. Israel is in its intrests for now but for how long. There are 2 issues that i can see the capitulation of the current regimes in muslim lands which is inevitable due to the amount of attempted coups and pubic dessent reported and unreported. Also when israel becomes to much of a burden then you will see it discarded like a used tissue.
Israel is on a constant war footing it is the size of luxemburg, an army would take by estimates 4 hours to surround the strategic positions within occupied palestine. the israeli entity is surrounded by people who cannot stand them it is only matter of time before the inevitable happens.
Its not matter of being sympathetic to the palestinians its a reality on the ground.
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I have already made it clear that my interest is confined to pakistan...
I have no intention to justify the existence of israel neither i am interseted in it's disintegration... My stance, which I see is shared
by many interactors,is that pakistan should recognize the state of israel if it's in pakistan's interest period.
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*Originally posted by shawaiz: *
National security decisions are not tied to moral values.
I have already made it clear that my interest is confined to pakistan...
I have no intention to justify the existence of israel neither i am interseted in it's disintegration... My stance, which I see is shared
by many interactors,is that pakistan should recognize the state of israel if it's in pakistan's interest period.
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Pakistan was made in the name of islam. Islam is its basis and what it should follow.
Your criteria is benefit, my criteria as a muslim is the islamic criteria. The islamic statesman does not stoop the level of anything goes capitalist criteria he has the islamic characteristics and he does the halal action. There is no the ends justifys the means in islam it must be halal whatever our action is.
Israel is occupied land, islam tells me this land needs to be liberated same as kashmir. Islam does not tell me to strike deals with the occupying jews so that i can get few crumbs off the table.
Allâh commands us in the Qur'ân: O you who have believe, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is one of them. Indeed Allâh does not guide the wrongdoing people. - Ma’idah 5/51
I have given you the reality of palestine and also the islamic solution for palestine. You have choice to accept the words of allah or you can continue to do the petty deals with the sharks of israel which are already happening no doubt behind closed doors by musharaff and co.
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I have given you the reality of palestine and also the islamic solution for palestine. You have choice to accept the words of allah or you can continue to do the petty deals with the sharks of israel which are already happening no doubt behind closed doors by musharaff and co.
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Dude, if there's an 'islamic' solution (and I don't really see any solution in your post there) then why haven't any islamic arab neighbours of Palestine implemented this solution? Pakistan is a poor nation with it's own problems and no vast oil wealth to fund any 'solutions'
We have to look out for ourselves and the people of Pakistan first. We aren't in as good a position as the arabs to help their islamic brothers instead of buying mercs and building palaces.
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Pakistan was made in the name of islam. Islam is its basis and what it should follow.
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No Sir, Pakistan was created for the muslims of the north-western provinces of british india and his founder Mr. Jinnah had never associated it's creation with any islamic ideology as he himself was a diehard secular.
As the President of the constituent assembley of Pakistan Mr. Jinnah said:
You are free- You are free to go to your temples,
you are free to go to your mosques or any other
place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You
may belong to any religion caste or creed- that
has nothing to do with the business of the state.
On sovereignty of the people he said:
The new state would be a modern democratic state
with sovereignty resting in the people and the
members of the new nation having equal rights of
citizenship regardless of their religion, caste or creed.
Jinnah to Doon Campbell 21st May 1947
It's an irony that those who vehemently opposed the creation of Pakistan and defamed Mr. Jinnah by calling him kafir-e-azam and his proposed country kafiristan have now become the master of this country.
Pakistan accepts Israel or not......thats not the problem for Hamas...Pakistan is an Islamic country but it has no contract with any other to pay for the whole Islamic world...Pakistan's foreign policy is something its very own and it must not be influenced by such non sense threats....first of all Hamas & co should reconsider their own deeds...that how strongly they have felt for Kasmiris here(not even a single word)...but Palestinian people should be saved(says my brotherhood)
Has musharaf (or rep) reacted to this? He should tell Hamas to go take a hike and warn them of dire punishment
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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
I saw nothing threatening in his statement.
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"recognition of israel would be a disaster" <-- these are the lad's words which to me sound a lot like a threat to Pakistan.
whether or not Pakistan recognizes Israel is Pakistan's business. Hamas has no room here.
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Has musharaf (or rep) reacted to this? He should tell Hamas to go take a hike and warn them of dire punishment
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I think ignoring him like a big dog spoke volumes about how much they care about what this clown has to say.