Did more than FATAH. Hamas has always been a welfare organisation, bit like Hezbollah.
Why are you all blaming Hamas. Hamas won the elections. They as the government have the mandate to control border corssings, security i..e police, intelligence, bodyguards of politicians etc... they are meant to be the state. Instead what happend was FATH never gave up the real power. Israel/USA funded some elements with money (undermine Hamas) new weapons to destroy Hamas. This was a proxy war. USA always has problems with Syria using groups in Lebanon to undermine the pro west government. they did exactly the same in Gaza. OK USA is not under some obligation to fund Hamas like it did with Fatah but it stopped all income from middle east banks. Hamas had funds in Egypt, Jordan banks that would not be released in fear of banks being put under sanctions by USA. Again USA being a bully, stopping a government operate.
Fatah was now tring to claim back more power from the elected government. Hamas had enough of TRYING to govern. Had enough and overthrew what they see as traitors.
A welfare organization? Surely you jest. There is no better way to buy loyalty than to give poor people something. In Gaza and Lebanon these organizations undermined the legitimate government by setting up an autonomous support system of social support. What happens next is even more crucial. They demand support for their cause in return. They use the vulnerability of the desperately poor to buy their loyalty using largely foreign funds.
Now Fatah is about as ineffective and corrupt an organization as has ever existed. Arafat, who had a peace deal in his lap. rejected the peace deal and used the vacuum to embezzle billions. While ranting about the "Occupation", he used the chaos to abandon elections, maintain tensions with Israel, and through the intifadah t o engage in a constant low level war.
When I first came to this site, I would rant against Arafat, and not a single Muslim would open his mouth to criticize him. It was politically incorrect to blame anyone but Israel, so most Muslims just shut up. NOW you guys are telling me that Fatah is corrupt and ineffective. Doh! You are about a decade late.
But now you are falling for another scheme. Hamas was popularly elected. That is because they were the only organized a;ternative to the corrupt Fatah. But they are wolves in sheep's clothing. they are luring in the Palestinians with rumors of change, when the true agenda is even more horrible. Out of the frying pan into the fire...
You make it sound as though it would have been better for the people to starve and go sick rather than receive social security from political organizations that have militants. The fact is that neither the Lebanese government nor the Palestinian Auhtority had the money, organization, or frankly the willpower to provide social services. Hamas and Hezbollah did not undermine the governments; instead they played in an area that their governments were unable and unwilling to play in.
Secondly, you make it sound as though Hamas and Hezbollah aid is conditional on support - ie they demand it, without offering any evidence for this. You overlook the fact that providing life-altering services earns support from the people by making them grateful to you.
Particularly when the government is Fatah, it’s easy for Hamas to say “We have given you food, shelter, medicine, education. What has Fatah given you? Which lifestyle is worth fighting for?”. For people who have to choose daily between siding with Fatah and suffering, or siding with Hamas and suffering a bit less, it becomes clear which option is in their own best interest. Nothing has to be demanded of them.
Facts are Isreal is full of right wing. Most deny the right for Palestine to exist just like Hamas officially reject creation of Israel. Now the lefties in Israel cant deliver piece nor can Fatah. Been pissing around for the last 40 years. The people who can deliver goods to the table are Hamas. Either work with them or marginalise people more and you will get something like the Taliban heaven forbid. At this particular moment they are ready to work in a civilised manner, just like they where nearly ready to accept Israel but west happened that one. Just shows the more you try to engineer the situation the more it fires back.
Northern Ireland just shows regardless of who you want, it's usually the two extremes who bring piece. Who would have thought the IRA in government with Paisely Adams. It's like comparing Sheikh Yasin and Sharon being in the same government.
kind of like how everyone on this forum posts the same media talking points like a brainwashed drone.
Its so funny that Israel spent so much propaganda in US tax dollars and so much time trying to convince the Palestinian voters that Fatah (which was in power before Hamas) was corrupt and evil and not interested in the well being of the Palestinians.
Then Israel was surprised like ghetto girl who just got knocked up, that their US funded propoganda worked and the Palestinians did not vote in Fatah, but instead, they voted in Hamas. :)
Then Israel really pooped in their little and instead of using more US tax dollars in propaganda they started sending American taxpayer paid guns and weapons to Fatah and said "Go and fight Hamas."
Facts are Isreal is full of right wing. Most deny the right for Palestine to exist just like Hamas officially reject creation of Israel. Now the lefties in Israel cant deliver piece nor can Fatah. Been pissing around for the last 40 years. The people who can deliver goods to the table are Hamas. Either work with them or marginalise people more and you will get something like the Taliban heaven forbid. At this particular moment they are ready to work in a civilised manner, just like they where nearly ready to accept Israel but west happened that one. Just shows the more you try to engineer the situation the more it fires back.
Northern Ireland just shows regardless of who you want, it's usually the two extremes who bring piece. Who would have thought the IRA in government with Paisely Adams. It's like comparing Sheikh Yasin and Sharon being in the same government.
No the problem is that as soon as left wing Israelis come to power, there are suicide bombings like the March 1995 Hamas bombings which leads the right wing to come to power.....
Dont fool yourself. Fatah have been behind as many if not more killings of Israelis including suicide bombings. The name Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Tanzin, F17 and got knows how many others Arafat setup ring a bell?
Dont fool yourself. Fatah have been behind as many if not more killings of Israelis including suicide bombings. The name Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Tanzin, F17 and got knows how many others Arafat setup ring a bell?
Very true, whether natioanalist or fundamentalist, palestinians only unite when trying to kill jews.