This makes it more complicated doesn’t it? It’s much easier to slam and blame Israel for the woe’s of the Palestinian people when they ar einvolved in the fighting but when the fighting it between Palestinian groups who are you left to blame? Do you dare go down that road?
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Militants of the Palestinian group Hamas have begun to attack positions of rival faction Fatah in Gaza as levels of violence reach a new intensity
Hundreds of Hamas fighters began moving on Fatah posts after giving their occupants two hours to leave.
Fatah leaders will meet later to decide whether to leave the three-month-old unity government they formed with Hamas in an effort to end factional fighting. Some 16 people have been killed on the streets of Gaza in the past 24 hours.
The residences of both Mahmoud Abbas, Fatah’s leader and the Palestinian Authority president, and of Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, of Hamas, have been targeted with gun and shell fire.
Witnesses said it was the worst fighting they had experienced in Gaza during 18 months of internal strife.
“Since early morning we have heard explosions and shooting. We can’t go and buy any food, we can’t stand in front of the windows, all our children are in one bedroom,” said Gaza City resident Adnan.
Ransacked
A statement issued from Hamas-operated mosques had given Fatah fighters until 1100 GMT to evacuate Gaza positions. Hamas-run radio stations said its fighters had taken control of several security positions in northern and central Gaza, and in Khan Younis in the south.
Pro-Fatah security forces attacked Hamas’s al-Aqsa TV and radio stations in Gaza, and reportedly took control of broadcasts - playing Fatah songs instead of the usual broadcasting schedule.
Former Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath told Associated Press news agency that Hamas militants had ransacked his home in Beit Lahiya.
A cousin of Abdel Aziz Rantissi, a Hamas leader killed by Israeli forces in 2004, was reportedly kidnapped and killed by Fatah gunmen. Mr Abbas accused some Hamas figures of “planning a coup” against legitimate institutions". He urged an immediate ceasefire and talks to end the bloodletting.
Yeah, Kaleem, the violence that perpetuates Palestinian society and politics is Israel’s fault. It’s all their fault. We know.
But really, who couldn’t have predicted this when a terrorist organization was elected to lead the government?
And let’s face it, if Israel had rotted into the kind of society where they were killing each other off, you and millions of your kind would be dancing in the streets. No such gloating going on here.
Terrorist organization? According to whom? I ask you again, what do you call a nation that makes all of its population train in military tactics and builds on illegally occupied land? I call them terrorist nation.
Plus, last i checked your nick say semninole…not UTD
Sorry, Kaleem, I didnt realize I hacked into the PM system, I thought this was a public thread.
But since you did me the honor of reply...Your country, the EU, Japan, Canada, Australia among others know and admit they are a terrorist organizatoin.
What do I call a legally formed nation that has to militarily train their population? Surrounded by sworn enemies.
Seminole, did you read up on Ben-Gurion? If you did, then you should have learned that Jews did displace arabs as early as 1911. Now I ask you again, let the knowledge sink in...it will only help you.
Gloat about what? The Palestinians have been left with leaders who are hollow and have not the power nor the will to lift the burdens of the Palestinian people which would involve making peace with Israel. This is just a new phase that will be played out again and again in the cycle of violence that plagues these people. So there is no gloating, violence against Israel will return, war after all, is easy and peace is hard...much moreso when you don't have any leaders looking out for what is best for the people.
^ big difference. US did not come up to mexicans and said...we used to live here 2000 years ago and are here to take the land that is rightfully ours. We beat the crap out of them in a war and took it from them.
^ big difference. US did not come up to mexicans and said...we used to live here 2000 years ago and are here to take the land that is rightfully ours. We beat the crap out of them in a war and took it from them.
so the parts of Israel that they took after beating the crap out of arabs are theird to keep but not the ones that were given as pennance by UK? right
dangerous argument. Israel already beat the crap out of its arab neighbours, if thats your criteria for legitimacy it can do so many more times.
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^ big difference. US did not come up to mexicans and said...we used to live here 2000 years ago and are here to take the land that is rightfully ours. We beat the crap out of them in a war and took it from them.
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Re the thread: if you create conditions where people are displaced, ghetto-ized, and fighting for whatever scraps they have, you do deserve the blame for creating those conditions.
Seminole... if millions of Native Americans were alive today and living in pitiful squalor as refugees displaced from their homes your analogy would make sense. And yes, any principled person/country would demand that America fairly deal with these people before it is regarded anything other than a criminal state.
Seminole... if millions of Native Americans were alive today and living in pitiful squalor as refugees displaced from their homes your analogy would make sense. And yes, any principled person/country would demand that America fairly deal with these people before it is regarded anything other than a criminal state.
You never heard of Indian reservations? They live in squalor conditions, the poorest people in the country live in Indian reservations. But back to the plight of the Palestinians - they were dealt with fairly - and every single time they or their Arab neighbors have foiled any attempts by attacking Israel. If Native Americans were doing that to the US today, they would cease to exist. Period.
There is no changing what the UN created in 1947. If only the Palestinians had accepted it. Their only choice now is to negotiate or win the land back by force. They can't do either apparently.
Gambling is slowy changing the condition of the Native Americans, maybe the Palestinians should be allowed to open casinos?
^^ Just look at the middle east. Arabs are killing Arabs everywhere. Whether its Iraq, or in Lebanon, Palestine, or in Algeria.
This has to be the most screwed up region on the planet
it gets more media play due to the interests of the world i.e. oil, otherwise check africa out sometime...
that takes the cake as the most screwed up region on the planet.
PS: this is from a human perspective of course, penguins may haveissues with the ice caps and all
You never heard of Indian reservations? They live in squalor conditions, the poorest people in the country live in Indian reservations. But back to the plight of the Palestinians - they were dealt with fairly - and every single time they or their Arab neighbors have foiled any attempts by attacking Israel. If Native Americans were doing that to the US today, they would cease to exist. Period.
There is no changing what the UN created in 1947. If only the Palestinians had accepted it. Their only choice now is to negotiate or win the land back by force. They can't do either apparently.
Gambling is slowy changing the condition of the Native Americans, maybe the Palestinians should be allowed to open casinos?
I am in 100% favour of going to what was created in 1947. those borders and also the rights of people living on both sides of the border, to property and all.
I am in 100% favour of going to what was created in 1947. those borders and also the rights of people living on both sides of the border, to property and all.
