Hamas and Fatah Killing One Another

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Nope never heard of em characterized that way. I thought they were land allotted to Native Americans that republicans thought were too exorbitant. If they really have the same conditions that Palestinians have then American should be condemned for it.

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But back to the plight of the Palestinians - they were dealt with fairly - and every single time they or their Arab neighbors have foiled any attempts by attacking Israel. If Native Americans were doing that to the US today, they would cease to exist. Period.

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Im not sure what to say to that. All I can say is arguing for genocide of any given race is a pretty bold step.

The 19th and 20th century jews of Europe could have been characterized that way, and I guess some people did end up doing the solution you propose.

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There is no changing what the UN created in 1947.

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The UN has had many many resolutions condemning Israel for a number of different things and Israel dismisses resolutions by UN routinely. For that matter the UN regards Kashmir as disputed territory. Why is the word of the UN so final on this particular issue?

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If only the Palestinians had accepted it. Their only choice now is to negotiate or win the land back by force. They can't do either apparently.

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Were the Palestinians given a say in the matter? 5 countries come together and disenfranchise you from your country, you are just supposed to accept it?

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Gambling is slowy changing the condition of the Native Americans, maybe the Palestinians should be allowed to open casinos?
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Yea, I guess the criminality of Israel is the same as the criminality of America's founding fathers. Migrate into a country, displace/kill the local residents and treat them like sub-human people, and expect them to live with whatever you give them.

I wasnt aware that Native Americans still live in squalor, I thought there was a generational guilt about their treatment in history. Pitiful, if this is true.

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Their reservations would cease to exist, not the people. They would have no rights of any type of self governence whatsoever.

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The UN has had many many resolutions condemning Israel for a number of different things and Israel dismisses resolutions by UN routinely. For that matter the UN regards Kashmir as disputed territory. Why is the word of the UN so final on this particular issue?
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The die has been cast. It was 60 years ago. The deal is done.

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Were the Palestinians given a say in the matter? 5 countries come together and disenfranchise you from your country, you are just supposed to accept it?
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There were given a country for the first time with this mandate. They previously lived under the rule of others. That area has always been under the rule of others. 50% is better than nothing.

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Yea, I guess the criminality of Israel is the same as the criminality of America's founding fathers. Migrate into a country, displace/kill the local residents and treat them like sub-human people, and expect them to live with whatever you give them.
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Shall we go back to the time of the violent spread of Islam through Arabia and call it criminal? When/where do we stop?

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I wasnt aware that Native Americans still live in squalor, I thought there was a generational guilt about their treatment in history. Pitiful, if this is true.
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It is pitiful, I agree.

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I dont know much about this topic so I wont address it.

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The die has been cast. It was 60 years ago. The deal is done.

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You cant make a deal without involving the principal.

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There were given a country for the first time with this mandate. They previously lived under the rule of others. That area has always been under the rule of others. 50% is better than nothing.

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They were never refugees under any rule, nor were they pushed out of their homes and lands.

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Shall we go back to the time of the violent spread of Islam through Arabia and call it criminal? When/where do we stop?

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It would be fair to do that if there was an entire nation living as impoverished refugees in an overcrowded ghetto of a country as a direct consequence of those actions with no redressal.

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It is pitiful, I agree.
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good, atleast we agree on something.

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There is only one person who's the center of all this feud - Mohammad Dahlan. He happens to be the top servant of the Zionists, and unfortunately, also heads the Fatah forces. Kill Dahlan and this will be over in minutes...

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Well they haven't had a deal in thousands of years of foreign rule. Except the Jews when it was their land.

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They were never refugees under any rule, nor were they pushed out of their homes and lands.
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Wrong. The Jews have been refugees for a looooong time. They lost the land because of war.

Islam became a civilization because of war. US became a country becaue of war, so did most countries and civilizations throughout history. The Palestinians actually had a chance to become a country without going to war. But they blew it. Time and time again. So let's just say they lost the land because of war (they started). But again, they have it lucky. Play nice and you can get a country.

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It would be fair to do that if there was an entire nation living as impoverished refugees in an overcrowded ghetto of a country as a direct consequence of those actions with no redressal.
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We are in serious disagreement as to why there are impoverished refugees in an overcrowded ghetto.

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I figure that considering Israels policies, such violence is bound to occur.
Divide and conquer…
And why shouldnt we celebrate the demise of Israel? What have the Israelis done for the world to merit any kind of sympathies besides steal land, kill innocent people, and be an overall pain the arse for the past 60 years?

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They may not have been an independent country, neither was the rest of Arabia before 1900. Historically different arab regions have been part of different empires, so long as nobody did ethnic cleansing and pushed people from their homes into ghettoes, things were fine.

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Wrong. The Jews have been refugees for a looooong time. They lost the land because of war.

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Was the ghettoization of jews in Europe throughout medieval times right? They lost their rights there because of war and cruel, unjust rulers. Which is the condition of Palestinians today and in every pittance offered to them by Israel.

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Islam became a civilization because of war. US became a country becaue of war, so did most countries and civilizations throughout history. The Palestinians actually had a chance to become a country without going to war. But they blew it. Time and time again. So let's just say they lost the land because of war (they started). But again, they have it lucky. Play nice and you can get a country.

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Nobody wants to get a country. Islam may have colonized countries, but Hindus were not pushed out of India into China. America may have been colonized too, but the size of America meant there was always enough space for both civilizations, and whatever ethnic cleansing happened was for subjugation, not for pushing the American Indians into Mexico.

Those who completely annihilated entire nations deserve to be condemned as indefensible criminals. People may have escaped that censure in medieval times, like the founding fathers you mentioned, but they cant get away with it in a more civilized world.

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We are in serious disagreement as to why there are impoverished refugees in an overcrowded ghetto.
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Yes. we are.

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since hamas won the election, the israellis have been supporting fatah to make this fighting happen. anyone who thinks the israellis dont have a major network in palestine is deluding themselves. the israellis have people in hamas and fatah

theres three interesting tussles going on in palestine. 1) israelli influenced political turmoil 2) iranian attempts to gain a foothold, to create another well armed front 3) israellis tightening the already tight noose around movements of the people. the latter making life hell as people are being holed up in ever smaller areas.

the israellis are actually running away with these policies. to reverse the trend something needs to be done by another country. the palestinians ability to defend themselves or negotiate is at a alltime low.

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^^ then how stupid are the palestinians that they are so easily influenced by their arch-enemy, Israel

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Money matters...And then there is nothing but poverty, destruction, oppression and a bunch of deflected morons.

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kind of like how everyone on this forum posts the same media talking points like a brainwashed drone.

Its so funny that Israel spent so much propaganda in US tax dollars and so much time trying to convince the Palestinian voters that Fatah (which was in power before Hamas) was corrupt and evil and not interested in the well being of the Palestinians.

Then Israel was surprised like ghetto girl who just got knocked up, that their US funded propoganda worked and the Palestinians did not vote in Fatah, but instead, they voted in Hamas. :)

Then Israel really pooped in their little and instead of using more US tax dollars in propaganda they started sending American taxpayer paid guns and weapons to Fatah and said "Go and fight Hamas."

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some of your analogies nwcs like "ghetto girl who got knocked up" and "little jew panties" are really bad taste not to mention sexist. maybe you can phrase yourself differently.

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Well, isn’t this nifty? Hamastan.

I guess the West Bank can be Fatahstan. Already the EU has pulled out of every aid program and relief project in Gaza. Life for those in Gaza, already horrible, is about to get worse. Hamas will spend every waking moment smuggling in arms, and organizing raids on Israeli outposts. They will launch rockets into Israel and impose draconian Islamic rule.

What fun. A new Mogadishu.

And these guys are fanatical enough that they will not care one whit about the horrors of everyday life for Gazans. They will blame Israel, Fatah, the US, and take no responsibility for their actions.

I await the inevitable social collapse.:khumar:

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Of course. It’s a US funded reality TV show for fat, lazy Americans to enjoy. Kind of like the WWE on a worldwide stage.

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of course they are in bad taste. if we can freely call Palestinians stupid animals who are morons, they why can't we innocently say poop their little Jew panties.

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Ben Gurion was a terrorist too. I think british are still unhappy of him doing bombing and killing brits in Jerusalem though they don't show it that much [like americans have hushed the US Liberty incident]

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i must have missed the stupid moronic animals post, for the record those are not encouraged either

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This might be the best thing to ever happen for Palestinians living in the West Bank if they choose to move towards Israel and away from Hamas like minded groups. A 2-palestinian independent territory , one with leadership vowing the destruction of Israel which will face economic hardships, more devastating consequences in its battles against Israel than we’ve seen before, and has the support of Iran. While the other accepts Israel, spawns economic growth and increased Aid, and has the support of the west and other Arab countries. What model would you rather live in?

Hamas control of Gaza up’s the likely hood that Israel will have just cause in attacking Iran as Iran’s support for Hamas will increase to levels the world can’t ignore.

Finally, Hamas has shown the world what they are about. Widely reported accounts that Hamas members have been executing Fatah members in the streets in front of their family’s gives Israel another chance to say to the world ‘we told you so’.

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Abbas Declares Emergency

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I think its time that Israel releases Marwan Bargouti and he steps in as commander of Fatah and then defeats Hamas

because Hamas is nothing more than Iran's stooge

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