Hall, Smith banned, Youhanna fined./Hall loses appeal(Merged)

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**Pakistan decide not to complain about S.Africa’s Hall **](http://www.cricketnext.com/news1/next/reutersoct03/reuters032.htm)
By Abdul Waheed

FAISALABAD, Pakistan, Oct 6 , 2003 (Reuters)

Pakistan have decided not to file a complaint about an incident involving South Africa’s all-rounder Andrew Hall and Pakistan’s Yousuf Youhana in the second one-day international in Lahore on Sunday.

**The pair clashed in the 13th over of Pakistan’s innings and television replays suggested that after the batsman exchanged words with Hall he was elbowed as he took a single.

Hall then confronted him, touching his bat and thrusting his face in Youhana’s, who responded angrily before umpire Nadeem Ghouri stepped between the players. **

Umpire Darrell Hair cautioned them both.

On Sunday, Pakistan cricket board (PCB) chairman Lieutenant-General Tauqir Zia and chief executive Rameez Raja said on television that the Pakistan team would be filing a complaint with match referee Clive Lloyd.

But PCB sources said the Pakistani team management had changed its mind to avoid bad blood with the South Africans.

Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq said he would not be lodging a complaint.

“I don’t want to comment on it but we have decided not to lodge any complaint with the match referee and it is a team decision,” he said.

“We just want to concentrate on the series and if the match referee wants to take action he can take action. Everyone has seen it on television,” Inzamam said.

Pakistan enjoyed a comfortable 42-run victory on Sunday after an eight-run success in the first match of the best-of-five series on Friday.

GUILTY PLAYERS

The Hall-Youhana incident was reminiscent of the Ramnaresh Sarwan and Glenn McGrath clash during Australia’s test series in the West Indies earlier this year.

South African skipper Smith said he could not comment on the incident as he had not seen it properly but felt both players were to blame.

Pakistan’s former captain Rashid Latif was banned for five matches in the one-day series against Bangladesh by match referee Mike Procter after Bangladesh’s manager complained he took a contentious catch in the third test in Multan.

**Former Pakistan captain Zaheer Abbas said action should be taken to stop the game falling into disrepute.

“Everyone saw what happened (between Hall and Youhana). It was not a good advertisement for the sport,” he said. Action must be taken against the guilty players." **

International cricket council (ICC) match referees have come under fire in recent months for their failure to curb sledging and other incidents on the field.

ICC chief executive Malcolm Speed has assumed powers to act against any players on the basis of television evidence if they bring the game into disrepute.

The ICC has also laid more responsibility on team captains to control the actions of their players.

© Reuters Limited.

Why not? I was not watching the game but for the people watching it live, who was at the fault? If Hall was WHY NOT FILE A COMPLAINT? everyon do this when it comes to Pakistan’s fault even BD does that in their series against Rashid.

I say if Youhana was not at fault then Pakistan should file the complaint. What do you say?

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Pictures of this incident are on the other thread. I was watching it. Yoyo hit Hall for a four and then took a single. Hall elbowed him as Yoyo passed him and then started to fight with him. Hall was clearly in the wrong. I think PCB shoiuld complain. Just because they decided to tour Pakistan after cancelling the tour does not mean that we should let them get away with silly acts like that.

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PCB is acting like a coward baby these days....

sorry if I am rude...

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Is there any precedence that a match referee has acted by himself after watching the incidence on TV? If there is who was charged, against whom and for what?

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Who is the Match Referee for this series? Clive Lloyd? Rashid Latif was banned for 5 matches by the Match Referee following a complaint by BD. I don't think that this should just be a one way street, Hall should have to accept the consequences of his actions just like our lads do.

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nothing will come out of it...Clive Lloyd or not....I have never seen a gora punished severely..forget being punished...the concerned player was not even reprimanded..
meanwhile non gora players will continue to be at receiving end of the match referees....
By the way I dont think Pakistan have to complain to enable match referee to take action against Hall.The evidence is there to see...only a blind would overlook that..

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I think PCB did the right thing. First offence on a tour by the guest team is tolerable. However, if Hall or any other South African repeats it then they must be given a big bamboo up their box.

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lalchi kaheen kay… PCB walay. they were afraid that if they file complain SAffies may find an excuse off of some patakha and runaway from the series depriving PCB of revenue :nook:

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I sense an inherent inferiority complex on the part of PCB for opting not to report this to match referee. Just because SA "obliged" us by coming to Pakistan and because PCB may be making good money out of sponsorship, they should not allow the opponents to disgrace them by such acts.

I used to think highly of Clive Lloyd specially after his "anit-sledging" remarks that I read at Wisden cricinfo, but what is wrong with him? Didn't he see what had happened. Is Pakistan required to file a complaint in order for him to take an action. I don't know if this is a rule, but if it is, it is quite funny. Above all, what is stopping Pakistan against filing a complaint...

Lastly, about Smith's remarks that he cannot comment because he does not know exactly what happened. If this is true why did he come so strongly over Youhana in the heat of things. Did anyone notice how Hall tugged Smith when he was approaching the spot. Seemed to me like it was a WWF pair wrestling in which one wrestler tugs his partner so that he can take over from there :)

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*Originally posted by WitchDoctor: *

Lastly, about Smith's remarks that he cannot comment because he does not know exactly what happened. If this is true why did he come so strongly over Youhana in the heat of things. Did anyone notice how Hall tugged Smith when he was approaching the spot. Seemed to me like it was a WWF pair wrestling in which one wrestler tugs his partner so that he can take over from there :)
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Smith is lying. He not only came over he clearly used the F word. Even though I did not hear him say it, I could lip read him.

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*Originally posted by ehsan: *

Smith is lying. He not only came over he clearly used the F word. Even though I did not hear him say it, I could lip read him.
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Yeah I know your lip reading abilities. You once deciphered my F%$^ and deleted the whole fking post.

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*Originally posted by funguy: *

Yeah I know your lip reading abilities. You once deciphered my F%$^ and deleted the whole fking post.
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:D

Let that be a lesson to you. :)

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Pakistan never complains. Why.
Match officials should take actions.

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Pakistan never complains. Match officials should take action against Pakistan for not complaining.

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i think hamain poori series khatam hone ke baad complain karni chayay :hehe:

mere khayaal say they hav done the right thing.. is say kuch nahi milta.. bas aisay hi baat kharaab hoty :halo:

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Thats the wrong attitude. Even BD never thought of that before complaining, neither these goras think before complaining (even if they themselves are at fault). Why should we?

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Pakistan v South Africa, 2nd ODI

ICC to investigate Hall-Youhana incident

Wisden Cricinfo staff

October 6, 2003

The ICC is to investigate the spat between Andrew Hall and Yousuf Youhana in the second one-day international between Pakistan and South Africa at Lahore on Oct 5. Hall appeared to barge into Youhana after being hit for four, and the two then exchanged views before the umpires stepped in.

Malcolm Speed, their chief executive, said that the ICC would wait until a full report is received from the match referee, and will also review the available footage of the incident before deciding if any charges should be laid under the ICC’s Code of Conduct.

“Before taking any decision it is important that the ICC is able to obtain the facts and view footage of the incident,” said Speed. “A video of the incident has been requested as a matter of urgency. This footage will be with us by close of business on Wednesday night. Once it is received, we will be in a better position to determine what, if any, action should be taken.”

Under the ICC’s Code of Conduct, the chief executive has five days from the close of play on the day an incident took place within which to lay a charge against a player or official. This period was increased from 24 hours in June this year, following an incident in the West Indies between Ramnaresh Sarwan and Glenn McGrath that was not reported by the match officials and was not brought to the ICC’s attention until after the time limit had expired.

© Wisden Cricinfo Ltd

http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/OCT/270954_PAKRSA2003-04_06OCT2003.html

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because we are good na… :halo:

ALlah mian likes those who forgive others :snooty:

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may be in daily life but not when we mean business :slight_smile:

When it comes to business and we forgive, then we better change our call sign to “ahmaq” or “bewaqoof” than “good”

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and the reward would be?