Do you consider meat that is available in the markets in USA halaal or Haraam?
If its haraam then all the burgers that are made of that same meat are haraam.
Imam of Islamic center here said that this meat is halaal and can be eaten after saying bismillah. He is an Arab.
I am confused.
This is a "gissa patta topic". A lot of people wrote about it including my self in previous Religious Forum. In USA and Canada there are a number of Halal meat shops run by the Muslims, where you can buy Halal meat.
I have seen Muslims drink alcohol like hell and commit fornication without fear but when it comes to meat, they only eat halal because they think it is a great sin if you do not eat halal meat!!!.... It all depends how you feel, and eat what ever you think is good for you. This is 21st Century, every one is smart enough to understand what is right and what is wrong for him or her.
Farid, you're right in the sense that everyone has the freedom of deciding the good and the bad for themselves. I too have seen people who believe in one aspect of Halaal Haraam and not the other.
Coolmint, let me only say this, read Surah Al Kauthar :
"Inna Aitainaak Al-Kauthar;
Fassali Rabbika WanHar". This is what I believe in. I have been living in North America for three years. I haven't ever eaten Big Mac nor Kentucky Fried. Anything which has been sacrificed without taking Allah's name before, is Haraam. I have done a little research on this and would be happy to discuss it with anyone.
The majority here believe that only pork and alcohol is haraam, well they're wrong. If you eat out, this should be your preference depending upon availability and then your situation :
1- Halaal
2- Vegetarian
3- Fish (done in vege oil)
4- Kosher food
5- Other meat
(4 and 5 in extreme situations).
This is a good topic, not ghissa pita my dear friend, "You are what you eat!"
(B.T.W some companies like Maple Lodge Farms in Canada have started to providew Halal sausages and likes under the supervision of ISNA (Islamic Society of North America). I am a University student and am very prone to eating out, but am proud to have restricted myself and believe me I'm not alone.
Tell ya'all what, the non-Muslims have got this Idea that the difference between Hala And Haram Meat is the fact that the butcher is not a Muslim. That is the farthest thing from truth.
The reason Haram meat is Haram because of the way the animal is slaughtered.
The Islamic way of slaughtering is that we cut the animal from its neck but not cutting the spinal cord. In this way the, blood gets out of the animal thus making it edible. If the spinal cord of the animal is cut off, then the connection of brain and heart is lost. Therefore, no blood is circulated, thus becoming a part of the meat that we eat!
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What you have said Enterprise is only one aspect of rendering something as being Halal.
When you say "Halal", the definition is that the animal has been slaughtered in that manner (suggested by you) and the sacrifice has been done in Allah's name.
Thank you all for replying.
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The responces so far have held many informative ideas and it is appreciated that such a topic is at least on our consciences, a form of taqwa. One response however needs clarification, "friend" offered a list of possibilities for muslims when eating out. The list is not completely accurate according to most scholars understanding of Islamic dietary restrictions. Kosher Food has been made permissible for muslims to eat by the Qur'an. Although certain ahadith exist regarding Umar's and Aisha's (raaa) distate for the food of the ahl al-Kitab, the majority of scholars look first the the Quranic text when making their decisions. According to hadeeth, found to be Saheeh, Fish and the dead of the sea (the majority of seafood) is by default Halal. The list might resemble something more of:
- Halal (including Fish)
- Kosher
- strictly vegetarian dishes
(the "other meat" portion is very confusing and should be truncated)
This list however changes when one is relegated to starvation for three days*, whereupon what food has been deemed haram is made permissible to the muslim (except alcohol)
*time duration may vary according to different understandings of fiqh
As-Salaamu ala men ittaba al huda
In the name of Allah, the Beneficient, the Merciful.
The responces so far have held many informative ideas and it is appreciated that such a topic is at least on our consciences, a form of taqwa. One response however needs clarification, "friend" offered a list of possibilities for muslims when eating out. The list is not completely accurate according to most scholars understanding of Islamic dietary restrictions. Kosher Food has been made permissible for muslims to eat by the Qur'an. Although certain ahadith exist regarding Umar's and Aisha's (raaa) distate for the food of the ahl al-Kitab, the majority of scholars look first the the Quranic text when making their decisions. According to hadeeth, found to be Saheeh, Fish and the dead of the sea (the majority of seafood) is by default Halal. The list might resemble something more of:
- Halal (including Fish)
- Kosher
- strictly vegetarian dishes
(the "other meat" portion is very confusing and should be truncated)
This list however changes when one is relegated to starvation for three days*, whereupon what food has been deemed haram is made permissible to the muslim (except alcohol)
*time duration may vary according to different understandings of fiqh
---May Allah forgive me if anything represented is incorrect or slanderous
As-Salaamu ala men ittaba al huda
In the name of Allah, the Beneficient, the Merciful.
The responces so far have held many informative ideas and it is appreciated that such a topic is at least on our consciences, a form of taqwa. One response however needs clarification, "friend" offered a list of possibilities for muslims when eating out. The list is not completely accurate according to most scholars understanding of Islamic dietary restrictions. Kosher Food has been made permissible for muslims to eat by the Qur'an. Although certain ahadith exist regarding Umar's and Aisha's (raaa) distate for the food of the ahl al-Kitab, the majority of scholars look first the the Quranic text when making their decisions. According to hadeeth, found to be Saheeh, Fish and the dead of the sea (the majority of seafood) is by default Halal. The list might resemble something more of:
- Halal (including Fish)
- Kosher
- strictly vegetarian dishes
(the "other meat" portion is very confusing and should be truncated)
This list however changes when one is relegated to starvation for three days*, whereupon what food has been deemed haram is made permissible to the muslim (except alcohol)
*time duration may vary according to different understandings of fiqh
---May Allah forgive me if anything represented is incorrect or slanderous
I've read the responses and its good that our generation still cares and that we are trying to adhere by the principles of Islam. HALAL & ZABEEHA - When you walk into a desi/arabic groc store, ask the owner if the meat(chicken) is zabiha or not. Halal usually refers to meat for the people of the book( Muslims, Christians[not including pork] and Jews ). If the store owner says that it is Zabiha, then it is good, because believe me it is very expensive to get Zabeeha chicken. OR just ask the guy how was the animal killed.
May Allah forgive me for any mistakes I may have made in this explanation or any confusion I may have caused - Ameen
Dear iarbus,
I have said almost what you did. By other met (in extreme situations) what I meant was the thing you said about three days of starvation.
God forgive us for our ignorance.
Umar.
What can be said about a situation, when you do not find any Halal meat in the area? Can we eat the meat avaialable (non-Zabiha)?
Coolmint, here is a tip for u....if u have any doubt whether the meat is haraam or halal, eat rice, cereals, vegetables, fish etc....no one forces anybody to eat haraam meat....
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*Originally posted by Enterprise: *
Tell ya'all what, the non-Muslims have got this Idea that the difference between Hala And Haram Meat is the fact that the butcher is not a Muslim. That is the farthest thing from truth.
The reason Haram meat is Haram because of the way the animal is slaughtered.
The Islamic way of slaughtering is that we cut the animal from its neck but not cutting the spinal cord. In this way the, blood gets out of the animal thus making it edible. If the spinal cord of the animal is cut off, then the connection of brain and heart is lost. Therefore, no blood is circulated, thus becoming a part of the meat that we eat!
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Exactly what you would do if you shot a buck, cept you would need to remove the intestines firstly after the kill to keep the meat from becoming stale. Then hang from a tree.
Then take to the local processing plant....
Re: Halaal haram issue
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*Originally posted by Coolmint: *
Do you consider meat that is available in the markets in USA halaal or Haraam?
If its haraam then all the burgers that are made of that same meat are haraam.
Imam of Islamic center here said that this meat is halaal and can be eaten after saying bismillah. He is an Arab.
I am confused.
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assalamuallykum:
It is the method of slaughter that makes an animal Zabiha or halal. The animal should be slaughtered in such a way that it causes the least amount of pain and suffering, and the blood should be drained out of its body. The issue of Takbir is very strongly recommended. The following are some quotes from the Quraan for clarification regarding this issue.
1) “You should eat the flesh of the animal over which Allah’s name has been mentioned, if you sincerely believe in His Revelations” (Al-Qu’ran 6:118).
2) “Why should you not eat of that over which Allah’s name has been mentioned, when He has already given you explicit knowledge of those things which He has forbidden for you, except in a case of extreme helplessness? As regards the majority of the people, they following their caprices, say misleading things without any knowledge. Your Lord best knows transgressors” (Al-Qu’ran 6:119).
3) “And do not eat the flesh of the animal over which Allah’s name has not been mentioned at the time of slaughter; this is indeed sinful” (Al-Qu’ran 6:121).
4) “They may witness the benefits that they have been made available here for them; and during the known appointed days, they should mention the name of Allah over the cattle He has provided them” (Al-Qu’ran 22:28).
5) “For every community We have prescribed a way of sacrifice so that the people (of that community) should pronounce the name of Allah over the cattle which He has provided for them” (Al-Quran 22:34).
6) “And We have included the camels (dedicated for sacrifice) among the Symbols of Allah, for there is much good for you in them, therefore make them stand and mention the name of Allah over them” (Al-Qu’ran 22:36).
7) “They ask you what has been made lawful for them. Say, all the good and pure things have been made lawful for you. You may also eat of what the hunting animals, which have trained to hunt in accordance with the knowledge Allah has given you, catch and hold for you. You should, however, mention Allah’s name over it and fear to violate the Law of Allah, for Allah is swift at reckoning” (Al-Qu’ran 5:4).
Even in the Ahadith (the Prophet Muhammed’s narrations) it is clearly stated that Allah’s name should be pronounced on each animal and only this fulfills the Zabiha requirement. Additionally, the Ahadith also reveal the recommendation of hand slaughter at the neck. This can be confirmed by the following two Ahadiths.
1) Narrated by Abu-Huraurah (R.A) that the beloved Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) sent Budail bin Waraqa (R.A) to Mina for the purpose to announce and inform people, to slaughter animal at the neck (Memon, 1990, p.11)
2) Narrated by Abdullah bin Abbas (R.A) that slaughter the animal at the neck. Same is narrated by Umar and Ali (R.A). (Memon, 1990, p.11).
As for the burgers and/or kosher foods, other problems arise because the Jews and Christian use alcohol (Kosher alcohol for Jews) in the preparation of food, and the use of alcohol is clearly prohibited by Islam. This is stated in the Quran which mentions, “O you who believe! Intoxicants and gambling and divination by arrows are an abomination of Satan’s doing: Avoid it in order that you may be successful” (Al-Qur’an 5:90).
Following is a ruling to clarify further, insha'Allah.
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By Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Q.) I live in the USA. Can I eat meat available at American stores butchered by non-Muslims. Some people at local mosque have argued that as America is a Christian country and they are Ahlul-Kitaab so its allowed to eat meat available at American stores. Please tell me what to do about it?
A.) Allah Taala says in the Noble Quran:
"Today I have made permissible for you pure things and the food of those who were given the Book (Ahlul-Kitaab) is also Halal for you." [Al-Maidah 5:4]
Overtly the above ayah reads that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible, but the fundamental principle must be understood in order to understand the Qur'an i.e. "One part of the Qur'an explains the other."
Therefore, this verse should be understood in the light of another verse relating to the same matter: "Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken and this (not taking Allah's name) practice is transgression." [Al-An'am 6:121]
While the former verse explicitly states that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible and the latter says, "Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken," in the light of both these verses, it is understood that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-kitaab is permissible only if the name of Allah is taken at the time of slaughtering. The Ahlul-kitaab used to take Allah's name when slaughtering an animal, therefore, their Zabeeha was also Halal for Muslims. It is for this same reason that an animal slaughtered by the Mushrikeen, etc. is not permissible. The Ahlul-kitaab of today are recognized by name, less faith. There is no guarantee that they take the name of Allah/God when slaughtering an animal. They cannot be trusted in matters pertaining to Halal/Haram.
Since there is uncertainty in the above slaughter manner, the Jurists are unanimous that it is not permissible to consume meat which is doubtful. Unless there is certainty that the Ahlul-kitaab read the 'Tasmiyah' i.e. take the name of God when slaughtering an animal then only will the meat be permissible. We suggest that the Muslims in the U.S.A. and U.K. slaughter the animals themselves. A committee be appointed and look into ways to facilitate for Halal meat slaughtered by Muslims. This will make them independent from Christian/Jewish sources.
Another proposition may be that the meat sold on the market is packed, sealed and stamped by a Muslim organization consisting of reliable scholars and Ulama who have proper Islamic knowledge of the principles pertaining to Halal/Haram of the Shar'iah.
And Allah Taala Knows Best.
May Allah guide us all!
fe aman Allah
your brother in Islam
i read that humans ate other humans who were dead in plane crash
in extreme situation is it justiefied ?
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3) “And do not eat the flesh of the animal over which Allah’s name has not been mentioned at the time of slaughter; this is indeed sinful” (Al-Qu’ran 6:121).
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greatpakistani sahib.. where did the part in red come from?? and where is 'flesh of the animal' mentioned in this verse?
is this fron a Qur'an of your own writing??? I'd love to know the origin of this translation so people can stay away from such shoddy scholarship..
[Shakir 6:121] And do not eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned, and that is most surely a transgression; and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you; and if you obey them, you shall most surely be polytheists.
[Yusufali 6:121] Eat not of (meats) on which Allah's name hath not been pronounced: That would be impiety. But the evil ones ever inspire their friends to contend with you if ye were to obey them, ye would indeed be Pagans.
PakistaniAbroad: Yusufali usually takes liberties with Allah's words.. inserting his own so ignore him this once
[Pickthal 6:121] And eat not of that whereon Allah's name hath not been mentioned, for lo! it is abomination. Lo! the devils do inspire their minions to dispute with you. But if ye obey them, ye will be in truth idolaters.
assalamuallykum brother/sister:
I am sorry if there was a mistake done by me unintentionally. But this is not a respectful manner to correct a Muslim brother’s mistake. May Allah forgive me!
you wrote: “is this fron a Qur’an of your own writing??? I’d love to know the origin of this translation so people can stay away from such shoddy scholarship..”
Indeed not. you did not have to point out like an insulting manner but MUST HAVE chosen a corrective tone since we learn from eachother and this is precisely the purpose of this forum.
Second, i did not create any of the rulings or give any fatwa myself. Rather for an understanding purpose, i posted the ruling from one of the respected scholars, that could hardly be challenged.
As regard with your point, go to the following site and read it. For your convenient I am going to post both of the translations for you. I thought i knew the verse by heart so i posted it without a double checking. Anyway the source of my knowledge about quranic verses is the following site. I picked the one which was more understandable with some sort of tafseer.
[6:121] Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal), for sure it is Fisq (a sin and disobedience of Allah). And certainly, the Shayatin (devils) do inspire their friends (from mankind) to dispute with you, and if you obey them [by making Al_Maytatah (a dead animal) legal by eating it], then you would indeed be Mushrikun (polytheists) [because they (devils and their friends) made lawful to you to eat that which Allah has made unlawful to eat and you obeyed them by considering it lawful to eat, and by doing so you worshipped them, and to worship others besides Allah is polytheism].
[6:121] And eat not of that whereon Allah’s name hath not been mentioned, for lo! it is abomination. Lo! the devils do inspire their minions to dispute with you. But if ye obey them, ye will be in truth idolaters.
May Allah guide us all!
fe aman Allah
haram meat is of pork! we can say non-zabiha.. yes its debateable and so many muslims eat non-zabiha on evidence that we are forbidden to eat meat on which some other God's name was uttered while slaughtering but on meat at which nothing was uttered while slaughtering is allowed... even imam of our mosque eats non-zabiha..