Halaal haram issue

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greatpakistani .. quoting the qur'an is no easy matter .. utmost care should be given when using the scripture as proof.. people take you for your word when you quote and non-Muslims may take that and run with it..

FYI please try and read the Arabic yourself and then understand the verse .. the verse you posted again has more written by the interpretor than Allah had .. are the words of Allah not sufficient for the interpretor?? does he/she know more than Allah to be inserting his own brackets within divine text??

Please stick with translations from scholars who have a reputation of correct interpretation.

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*Originally posted by Enterprise: *

The reason Haram meat is Haram because of the way the animal is slaughtered.
The Islamic way of slaughtering is that we cut the animal from its neck but not cutting the spinal cord. In this way the, blood gets out of the animal thus making it edible. If the spinal cord of the animal is cut off, then the connection of brain and heart is lost. Therefore, no blood is circulated, thus becoming a part of the meat that we eat!

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Reasoning everything in religion is a pandora box. It takes you nowhere.
If it is haram it is haram and if it is halal it is halal, period. Just have faith in it.

It is not true that connection of heart and brain is cut off by cutting off the spinal cord. Heart gets nerve supply from Vagus nerve which passes anteriorly i.e in front of the neck along with great veesels of neck which are all cut together.
Heart has its own intrinsic nervous activity and will continue to beat for a little even when all its nerve supply is cut.
Remember those people who have their spinal cord severed at the neck level due to injury e.g Steve Reeves( AKA superman) are completely paraplegic but has normal circulation and heart function. It shows that cutting the spinal cord has nothing to do with circulation.

Anyways, have faith in your halal and haram.

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how chinese survived eating pork for thousands of years and able to become # 1 population?

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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
how chinese survived eating pork for thousands of years and able to become # 1 population?
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.. little knowlege is a dangerous thing and in matters of others faiths extremely dangerous.. ur always out of context as ever.. we r discussing something u cant understand as we cant since chinese eat beef too.. which is better than pork and that gave them strength to survive! instead of trying to be overclever try to learn!

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*Originally posted by Degas: *

.. little knowlege is a dangerous thing and in matters of others faiths extremely dangerous.. ur always out of context as ever.. we r discussing something u cant understand as we cant since chinese eat beef too.. which is better than pork and that gave them strength to survive! instead of trying to be overclever try to learn!
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i never said beef cant be eaten. there are cultural and relgious prejudices when it comes to eating certain meat.

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*Originally posted by Degas: *

.. little knowlege is a dangerous thing and in matters of others faiths extremely dangerous.............................. since chinese eat beef too.. which is better than pork and that gave them strength to survive! ..........................
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This is pretty interesting statement, can you provide some scientific or logical proof that " Beef gave chinese stength to survive against eating Pork ......"

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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
**greatpakistani* .. quoting the qur'an is no easy matter .. utmost care should be given when using the scripture as proof.. people take you for your word when you quote and non-Muslims may take that and run with it..

FYI please try and read the Arabic yourself and then understand the verse .. the verse you posted again has more written by the interpretor than Allah had .. are the words of Allah not sufficient for the interpretor?? does he/she know more than Allah to be inserting his own brackets within divine text??

Please stick with translations from scholars who have a reputation of correct interpretation.
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assalamuallykum Brother:

I am not sure why are you making it a big issue. You are confusing a simple translation with tanslation and interpretation. To understand the Quraan, there is always a need for an interpretor. In English language, those brackets within a quote dont affect the quote itself. The meaning of those brackets is not to add something or take something out from the book of Allah(SWT). It just that to make us understand what Allah meant at a certain point. Now you may or may not agree with the interpretation that is another issue. But in this case, that was the most appropriate interpretatoin, just to the point.

You wrote: "Please stick with translations from scholars who have a reputation of correct interpretation."

The site i mentioned is one of the most reliable ones. As far as scholars and their reputation are concerned, you never know what scholar is how much qualified.

As for the scholars, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“If a judge passes a ruling to the best of his ability and knowledge and gets it right, he will have two rewards. If he passes a ruling to the best of his ability and knowledge but gets it wrong, he will have one reward.” (al-Bukhaari, 7352; Muslim, 1716).

you wrote: "please try and read the Arabic yourself and then understand the verse.."

how do you know whether or not i try or/and read arabic for understanding purposes?

Allah (SWT) says:
" O ye who believe! Let not a folk deride a folk who may be better than they (are), not let women (deride) women who may be better than they are; neither defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. Bad is the name of lewdness after faith. And whoso turneth not in repentance, such are evil-doers." (49:11)

It is an offense to judge people with/without having enough knowledge about them. May Allah forgive us all.

May Allah guide us all!
fe aman Allah
your brother in Islam

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*Originally posted by analyze it: *

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This is pretty interesting statement, can you provide some scientific or logical proof that " Beef gave chinese stength to survive against eating Pork ......"
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it was an answer to some non-muslim for bringing pork in a topic where guppies were discussing zabiha and ger-zabiha meat..

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greatpakistani please just admit you had no clue when you posted an outrageous (mis)translation that deliberately adds misleading words to the original Qur'anic words to make them mean something different.

apology will be accepted by all :)

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Re: Halaal haram issue

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*Originally posted by Coolmint: *
Do you consider meat that is available in the markets in USA halaal or Haraam?
If its haraam then all the burgers that are made of that same meat are haraam.

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firstly it is haraam, as the animal was getting killed. kalimah was not said, so it is haram.

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*Originally posted by Coolmint: *
Imam of Islamic center here said that this meat is halaal and can be eaten after saying bismillah. He is an Arab.
I am confused.

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We have the same problem here in NZ, there are some Arabs and Bangladeshis and some other people who say that u can say bismillah and eat, when that is not true as the animal most likley was no killed in an islamic way. But u can ask other Mosques to find where u can get halal meat from. And i am sure there will be one somewhere.

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *

[Shakir 6:121] And do not eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned, and that is most surely a transgression; and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you; and if you obey them, you shall most surely be polytheists.

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Just curious to know.. what are you really saying? The meat that is served in non-Muslim restaurants is Halal or Haraam?

From looking at the following verse which says:

"Therefore eat of that on which Allah's name **has been* mentioned if you are believers in His communications."* [6.118 translated by Shakir]

Doesn't this mean that it(meat served in non-Muslim restaurants) is not allowed since those people don't mention Allah's name when it is being killed/slaughtered? Hmmm, now I'm very confused...please help!