Why is that 2 goats are sacrificed for boys but only 1 for girls? Is that something cultural or does it have any religious sanction?
that's lame...
for whatever reason it is ...I don't believe it would be for reigion saction...
no high values got men or wome...we all are equal...
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NYA....its Aqiqa, not Hakika, and no, there is no such religious sanction.
This is an inherent flaw in our society that translates from people distributing laddoos at the birth of a son, and not even a phone call at the birth of a daughter.
It is not correct to consider ‘Aqiqa’ as merely a sacrifice. On the contrary, ‘Aqiqa’ was a name of an ongoing tradition among the Arabs, in which an animal was sacrificed and its blood was poured upon the child’s head, after which, the child’s head was shaved. It was believed that till such an act was performed upon the child, the child remained subjected to calamities and sufferings.
When the Prophet (pbuh) was asked about this custom, he is reported to have replied that he did not approve of it (Aqiqa). However, at the birth of a child, if anyone wanted to sacrifice an animal as a sign of gratitude toward God for being blessed with a child, he may do so.
Hakif, Thank you.
I thought so too. I was showing the photos of my son’s Akika to friends and someone asked me the question about 2 goats and 1 goat. If it is just a cultural ritual and custom, why do so many still practice it? Shouldn’t this practice be outlawed?
This is an inherent flaw in our society that translates from people distributing laddoos at the birth of a son, and not even a phone call at the birth of a daughter.<<<
It is very common answer if you ask a person in our society “how many kids do you have?”
“I have got 2 kids and 1 girl”. As if the girl is not a kid.
In some parts of Punjab, it is considered an insult if someone congratulates to parents of a newborn baby girl.
We are a society of such a screwed up propositions when it comes to gender equality, but that does not stop us of beating the drum as hard as we can about being the followers of the greatest religion on earth.
Oh really? This is new to me. I thought that Aqiqa is an Islamic tradition, and 2 goats for boys and 1 for the girl is what is prescribed by Sunnah.
Hmmmm....
NYA said..
Is that something cultural or does it have any religious sanction?
Akif said
NYA....its Aqiqa, not Hakika, and no, there is no such religious sanction.
I think I may have been misunderstood here. I thought NYAs above question was about the 2 for boy and 1 for girl issue. And the answer that I gave above was for that.
Aqiqa is indeed a sunnah, an islamic tradition. Its the 2 for boys and 1 for girls that is culturally motivated.
NYA..
You are right. Gender equality is practiced in very selective ways in our society, even in 'educated' sectors. It is indeed hypocritical on our part to tout Islam so hard, yet ignore some of the very basic commandments of it. The herd mentality regarding culture needs to be washed from our society.
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This might not have anything to do with the topic but I think you should read it:
Surah 16(the bee) Verses # 57-60)
“And they ascribe daughters to Allah, glory be to Him; and for themselves (they would have) what they desire.”
And when a daughter is announced to one of them his face becomes black and he is full of wrath.
He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that which is announced to him. Shall he keep it with disgrace or bury it (alive) in the dust?
Now surely evil is what they judge.
For those who do not believe in the hereafter is an evil attribute, and Allah’s is the loftiest attribute; and
He is the Mighty, the Wise."
Pagans of Arabia use to say that Angels are daughters of Allah(astaqfirullah) but when they would hear news about daughter being born in their own homes their faces would become dark and they would bury their daughters alive, PRE ISLAMIC ERA.
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Watcher... can u find, any ayat or hadith (if any) to explain the rulings on aqiqa? Whether to sacrifice 2 goats for boys and 1 goat for a girl is an islamic ruling?
Pristine this should Answer your question
It is related on the authority of Buraydah, that when during the days of ignorance, a child was born, we used to slaughter a goat and smear the head of the child with its blood. Later, after the dawn of Islam, our practice became (on the advice of the Prophet [s]), that we sacrifice a goat of aqiqa, on the seventh day of the birth of the child, and shave the head of the infant, and apply saffron on it.’
It is related by Abdullah ibn Amr bin al As that the Prophet [s] said, ‘To whomsoever a child is born, and he wants to perform the sacrifice of aqiqa on behalf of it, he should sacrifice two goats for a boy and one goat for a girl.’
According to the above tradition, we conclude that aqiqa is not obligatory, but is recommended. In the same way it is not necessary to sacrifice two goats for a male child. It is, of course, better to sacrifice two goats provided one can afford it.
…working on it dear.
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Tazz, if you can give us some REFERENCES to you hadiths, we will appreciate it. Thanks. [book name, volume #, page #, etc. etc. ]
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Volume 7, Book 66, Number 380:
Narrated Salman bin 'Amir Ad-Dabbi:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "'Aqiqa is to be offered for a (newly born) boy, so slaughter (an animal) for him, and relieve him of his suffering." (Note: It has been quoted in Fateh-AL-Bari that the majority of the Religious Scholars agrees to the Hadith narrated in Sahih At-TlRMlZY that the Prophet was asked about Aqiqa and he ordered 2 sheep for a boy and one sheep for a girl and that is his tradition "SUNNA".)
Volume 7, Book 66, Number 381:
Narrated Habib bin Ash-Shahid:
Ibn Sirin told me to ask Al-Hassan from whom he had heard the narration of 'Aqiqa. I asked him and he said, "From Samura bin Jundab."
From Sahih Bukhari
Thanks to both of you.
So I was not wrong in my assumption that it is an Islamic thing. But it is not mandatory, rather only recommended for those who can afford it.
As far as the question why 2 for boys and 1 for girl… well, thats what the Sunnah is. End of story (for me). Aap log behs leiN!
Tazz, I find it confusing to see that you first cut & paste a response from “The Learner” who states that Aqiqah is not part of Sunnah, and then you go and try to show that it is indeed a Sunnah. Am I right to be confused?
My position is the same as that of Akif’s first reply. Aqiqah is only supererogatory - not part of Sunnah.
http://www.understanding-islam.com/rmst/st-002.htm
The customs promoted as a part of Islamic traditions by the Prophet (pbuh), at the birth of a child, include the following:
- Adhan is recited in the right ear of the child, while the Iqaamah is recited in its left ear; and
- Circumcision (“Khittaan” in the Arabic language)
Besides these two customs, there are no other customs promoted by the Prophet (pbuh), as a part of the Islamic tradition. Nevertheless, as a show of gratitude for being blessed with a child, a person may offer supererogatory sacrifice.
The above explanation should clarify that “Aqeeqah” are not a part of the Muslim customs at childbirth, which were promoted by the Prophet (pbuh).
They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?
http://www.understanding-islam.com/rmst/st-003.htm
Question:
What is the importance of “aqiqa” (sacrifice made at the occasion of birth of child) in Islam? I have read in Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated Salman bin 'Amir Ad-Dabbi: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Aqiqa is to be offered for a (newly born) boy, so slaughter (an animal) for him, and relieve him of his suffering.” (Note: It has been quoted in Fath Al-Bari that the majority of the Religious Scholars agrees to the Hadith narrated in Sahih Al-Tirmidhi that the Prophet was asked about Aqiqa and he ordered 2 sheep for a boy.
Millions of Muslims specially in Indo-Pak believe that “Aqiqa” is important in a child’s life. If parents do not perform “Aqiqa” for a child, the child always remain under calamities and always face problems in the life.
How true is that concept? I will appreciate if you can elaborate it in the light of Quran and Sunnah.
Thanks and regards
Reply
It is not correct to consider ‘Aqiqa’ as merely a sacrifice. On the contrary, ‘Aqiqa’ was a name of an ongoing tradition among the Arabs, in which an animal was sacrificed and its blood was poured upon the child’s head, after which, the child’s head was shaved. It was believed that till such an act was performed upon the child, the child remained subjected to calamities and sufferings.
When the Prophet (pbuh) was asked about this custom, he is reported to have replied that he did not approve of it (Aqiqa). However, at the birth of a child, if anyone wanted to sacrifice an animal as a sign of gratitude toward God for being blessed with a child, he may do so.
If we closely examine the spirit and the practice of Aqiqa, we can easily see that the custom is based upon a superstition about the child’s future, which is clearly against the teachings of Islam. It is obvious that at the particular stage, in the age of the child, ‘Aqiqa’ could not be an obligation upon the child. The most that can be said is that it is obligatory upon the parents of the child. However, if that is the case, then why should the child be punished for the rest of his life, if his/her parents have failed to fulfill something which was obligatory upon them? The whole concept apparently seems to be inconsistent with the basic teachings of Islam, according to which every individual is only accountable for his own deeds.
Thus, in my opinion, it seems that the Prophet (pbuh) is correctly reported to have dissuaded people from upholding the referred custom. Nevertheless, in the same narrative, the Prophet (pbuh) is also reported to have encouraged the father of newly born child to offer sacrifice, as a show of gratitude and thankfulness toward their Lord, for blessing him with a child. Over the years, this custom of sacrificing came to be known as ‘Aqiqa’, while, ‘Aqiqa’, in fact, was a separate custom.
The number of animals sacrificed as a show of gratitude is not fixed. The person may sacrifice one or more (or no) animals, depending upon his financial position and the availability of animals.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Moiz Amjad
They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?
Yaar, aik to aap ka ye 'Learner' confuse karr daita hai. Hamesha.
Now tell me, is that hadeeth quoted by the questioner... is it WRONG?
I mean, that is the only explanation. The response totally ignored that hadith so I am assuming that as per Mr Learner, this hadith is either false or mis-quoted. What do you say?
Pristine sahib...
The Learner has not ignored the hadith in question. It has been explained that the content of the hadith, with regard to the "suffering", is not in accordance with the teachings of Islam and thus it stands rejected without no hesitation whatsoever.
I hope my position is sufficiently clear on this matter.
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
**Hakif, Thank you.
I thought so too. I was showing the photos of my son’s Akika to friends and someone asked me the question about 2 goats and 1 goat. If it is just a cultural ritual and custom, why do so many still practice it? Shouldn’t this practice be outlawed?
This is an inherent flaw in our society that translates from people distributing laddoos at the birth of a son, and not even a phone call at the birth of a daughter.<<<
It is very common answer if you ask a person in our society “how many kids do you have?”
“I have got 2 kids and 1 girl”. As if the girl is not a kid.
In some parts of Punjab, it is considered an insult if someone congratulates to parents of a newborn baby girl.
We are a society of such a screwed up propositions when it comes to gender equality, but that does not stop us of beating the drum as hard as we can about being the followers of the greatest religion on earth. **
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Ny Ahmedi ,DIDNT I TELL YOU 'LAHORE IS NOT THE YARD STICK BY WHICH MEASURE WHAT IS OR IS NOT ISLAMIC'
never forget ,you will not err if you care to find the truth. Insha allah
"jo kHat main kahte they apni jaan mujhko
aaj kHat likhne main unki jaan jaati hai .....
Partypooper.
You obviously give great credibility to the site ‘Understanding Islam’, which I don’t share, but that is not the point here.
Lets discuss the response from the Learner. My only complaint is that the response is confusing. Here is how:
First of all, the Learner started his response by talking about the superstitious nature of pre-Islam Aqiqa. The name may be the same, but the muslims are supposed to do aqiqa as an act to thank Allah, rather than as a superstition (muslims don’t put blood on the head of infant etc). So we are basically comparing apples with oranges here.
Then within the response, the Learner says “Nevertheless, in the same narrative, the Prophet (pbuh) is also reported to have encouraged the father of newly born child to offer sacrifice, as a show of gratitude and thankfulness toward their Lord, for blessing him with a child.”. This is what is being said all along. So we are back to square one.
Then he concludes by the statement “The number of animals sacrificed as a show of gratitude is not fixed” with no proof (or daleel) to substantiate this claim, whatsoever. Remember there is a clear hadith mentioning the number in Bukhari which is not refuted by the Learner, per se.
Why can’t we get a simple answer to a simple question?
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why such a thing…
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why only 1 for a girl…
And they ascribe daughters to Allah, glory be to Him; and for themselves (they would have) what they desire."
And when a daughter is announced to one of them his face becomes black and he is full of wrath.
He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that which is announced to him. Shall he keep it with disgrace or bury it (alive) in the dust?
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/frown.gif
Now surely evil is what they judge.
For those who do not believe in the hereafter is an evil attribute, and Allah’s is the loftiest attribute; and
He is the Mighty, the Wise."
Pagans of Arabia use to say that Angels are daughters of Allah(astaqfirullah) but when they would hear news about daughter being born in their own homes their faces would become dark and they would bury their daughters alive, PRE ISLAMIC ERA.<<<<<
would you guys know why are their such things like that…
during my life I’ve felt alot like that…like feeling bad of whom I am…like for instence if I went to Madina and i wanted to go “zeyaret” @ Prophet(pbuh) there would be a specific time for ladies and it was like only 2 hrs or so
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…n men could go whenever they wanted to …
I don’t understand…
BTW, would it be okay to sacrifice 2 for both?
“The only way to have a friend is to be one.”
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