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"A wise enemy is better than a foolish friend".
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Is this kind of exposure origin of Muslim lesbians? There should be limits else our society will be destroyed and young girls might follow them...
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^No what encourages lesbianism is the moral police in the streets. Get rid off it and half of your problems are solved.
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Is this kind of exposure origin of Muslim lesbians? There should be limits else our society will be destroyed and young girls might follow them...
This is like a chapter out of Jane Sasson's Princess series, where at the beginning Princess Sultana says how we Saudi women dress up (or dress down rather) for other women...and after few pages you learn that her daughter turns into a lesbian because of this lifestyle. lol
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Twit Twit, Enigmatic, & Muzna - I will not judge you even if you danced naked in front of me. Would you rather hang out with people who judge you or those who don't judge you no matter what and beyond just that one silly moment do not care enough to label you a whore or a slut? I am sorry but a slip of a tongue or a private party doesn't tell anything about anyone's character. AND I would rather choose friends who won't judge me for silly crap.
I am sure you won't. But unfortunately I would if you did and so would the people I hang out with;-) (Birds of a feather flock together ). But then again, I am pretty liberal in my thinking, and even if I'd judge you or labeled you in my little dictionary of a head, it won't stop me from hanging out with you or having fun. I go out with all kinds of people at my work or otherwise and as long as they are civil, I don't have a problem. (However the opinion will always remain)
I agree, you can't tell of anyone's character in a few private parties but it's always a start of a foundation. I would always remember "that girl who wore a short red dress and black heels and this at that and danced with so and so", but then that's just me. I make an opinion quite fast. (Something I'll like to improve on but for now, that's the way it is:-)
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No matter what I do I expect the world to judge me…by one standard or another…
If I were to dance naked…
- the person that practices pardah will be disgusted at my behaviour and refuse to set her eyes upon me.
- the person that wears modest attire will shun my behaviour and consider me bay-sharam.
- the person that normally dresses provocatively will figure out a way to join the dance.
- the person that is on the dance floor with a string bikini on will consider removing hers’ to attract more attention.
- the person that was already dancing naked won’t give a damn save to show me a few new moves cuz I will not be dancing as well as her.
So everybody will judge…but in a different way…by their own standards.
Anyone that says they don’t judge is just fooling themselves. We all have certain limits. We all judge.
In fact somewhere in one of these posts even Afshi mentioned that she would point out to her friend if she felt she was disobeying Allah’s command…isn’t that judging?
I will have to look it up but I’m sure that there is an advice that suggests if you see something wrong to do something about, if you can’t then say that this is wrong, if you cannot say it for some fear then consider it wrong in your heart.
Besides…your promise is self-serving…by your own admission earlier in the thread, you like to watch…
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Twit Twit, Enigmatic, & Muzna - I will not judge you even if you danced naked in front of me. Would you rather hang out with people who judge you or those who don't judge you no matter what and beyond just that one silly moment do not care enough to label you a whore or a slut? I am sorry but a slip of a tongue or a private party doesn't tell anything about anyone's character. AND I would rather choose friends who won't judge me for silly crap.
I know Theo even I wouldn't judge my friends because they are my *friends *and I know them very well. But we are also surrounded by so many random people who are not so friendly and they don't know us that well either. But their boomerang of judgement can backfire someday when they come across someone I know and all they have in memory of me is one of my uninhibited having fun mode. Not all people are the nice or non-gossipy sort.
And there are times when we are representing our families solely. I wouldn't like it if an xyz who sees me somewhere just partying with my female friends but going all hooliganish and she turns out to be a common friend of my mom and some other acquaintance of ours. She wouldn't know me enough to say k bohat he MA sharif aur decent bachi hai. She might gossip with my mom's other friend or she might talk to my mom about it.
All am saying is..each to their own alright.. fair enough. But at the same time we are responsible for our actions at the end of the day. And we should just avoid getting into any extreme
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OK I can agree with you ladies that it definitely will leave a weird impression on me. :k:
[EMAIL=“Lol@Enigmatic[/MENTION]”]Lol[MENTION=85326]Enigmatic - Jes sure, I will watch.. 
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Thank God I don't hang around with dumb and dead people, if I'm acting like a racist douche, my friends will have every right to step in, provided they aren't brain dead as me to begin with. If they don't step in and let me continue to nurture my racist mentality, then they shouldn't really be considered my friends. There is no such thing is "no matter what" in life, there's always a limitation.
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Theo....did you notice the judgement?
you mentioned that you like to watch and suddenly people have labelled you.......
we still love you but we now have an image of you in our minds.....wrong or right.
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Are you implying that I am brain dead? Big difference between dancing naked and being racist. 
@Muzna- True, if I am not harming anybody, not getting in anyone’s way, not being a “racist”, I don’t really care what anyone says about me. They can judge me all they want, I could care less… 
cheers
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No my friends if they have no voice of their own, or me, if I don’t have the nerve to listen to it.
As with your second point, you never know, some friends might get more shocked to see their friend dancing naked than using a racist remark.
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Even on virtual online place like GS, we judge people even if unintentionally! There has to be a reason why we pick favorites. We obviously form an opinion before deciding who do we like more :halo:
And I loved Muzna’s reply. She’s right. Everybody judges but at their own level of thinking.
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Err wasn't there a thread about equating seemingly religious men with bad, arrogant, useless husbands? That was some judgment wasn't it?
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@Muzna- True, if I am not harming anybody, not getting in anyone's way, not being a "racist", I don't really care what anyone says about me. They can judge me all they want, I could care less... :)
cheers
Precisely.
Some folks would even go so far as to suggest that those who object the most to being 'judged' themselves know that they just might be in the wrong......
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nope. not at all. I think it is courteous, polite and the way that Allah would want me to speak.
In a superior and judgmental manner?...naaaah
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Everyone has their own limits and comfort level and they should be respected…I would never use such words around ppl I don’t know (as a teenager/student I might’ve done that but not anymore) but you know what? I have friends who use swear words…doesn’t mean I don’t hold myself or them in high regard or consider myslef or any of them as trash and that’s what Afshi and I and others have been saying–that certain things are said between friends/family.
That is horrific and to a certain extent I agree with you–but goodness, NOBODY is saying that anybody should go arond calling each other these things!!!
Yes I came across hijabis who spoke like this and had that attitude but I realized eventually that that was THEM who were like that..
Why is it so hard for people to understand, things said to strangers about strangers VERSUS things said between friends???
I have a cousin who wears hijab, who has been wearing it since early on, and we jokingly say she’s looking like a ho cz a strand of hair is sticking out. But of COURSE she’s not a ho! nobody who has a strand of hair or a wrist or ankle showing is a HO…we just say it to tease her and she goes along with it–the second she says she hates it or doens’t like it I’ll stop saying it and apologize…so yes, I am having a hard time comprehending why people would have issues with that. Btw, if an otusider were to call her a ho/slut etc, she has enough self esteem and self respect to stand up to that kind of attitude!
apparently so. 
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That is horrific and to a certain extent I agree with you--but goodness, NOBODY is saying that anybody should go arond calling each other these things!!!!
Yes I came across hijabis who spoke like this and had that attitude but I realized eventually that that was THEM who were like that..
Why is it so hard for people to understand, things said to strangers about strangers VERSUS things said between friends????
I have a cousin who wears hijab, who has been wearing it since early on, and we jokingly say she's looking like a ho cz a strand of hair is sticking out. But of COURSE she's not a ho! nobody who has a strand of hair or a wrist or ankle showing is a HO...we just say it to tease her and she goes along with it--the second she says she hates it or doens't like it I'll stop saying it and apologize....so yes, I am having a hard time comprehending why people would have issues with that. Btw, if an otusider were to call her a ho/slut etc, she has enough self esteem and self respect to stand up to that kind of attitude!
Look I just gave you an example of sisters in Hijab but sluts if otherwise mentality has resulted in plenty of targeted sexual assaults and harassment on non Muslims women by Muslim men in certain parts of UK, you still don't see it as an issue that is relevant beyond a lame joke or two? There's a deep problematic cultural phenomena behind it. Muslims are such disintegrated community in UK, don't you think such views, misplaced tags could be what stops young girls and boys from integrating, respecting the ways and norms of wider part of society? If failure to at least understand is not being rigid and cold than what is? I have no problem whatsoever a Hijabi calling her another Hijabi friend a slut, I don't care. You are right those who are always using this word are often acting like one themselves. But its a the perception and criteria of sluttiness that I find quite disturbing. Fine, girls can have their blond moments, but I don't think I would wanna be near any man who is brain dead enough to equate identity of dirty, slatternly, slovenly woman ready for visual assault with open hair and sleeveless top, these aasteen ke samp should have no business living in Western countries with such messed up definitions. And I really fear for young boys who are fed this silly crap at homes. This is a classic example of us vs them divide. If you think there's nothing wrong in this type of teaching and perception building for young Muslim generation living in Western countries, then I think there's no point of talking any further on this issue. For all I know maybe such type of behaviour is encouraged in Islam...
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^ Look I am not disagreeing entirely and I see your point BUT...a person can swear jokingly with their friends and STILL have respect for others...the two aren't mutually exclusive.
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If it was JUST females..then whats the problem?? Are you hating on the fact that hijabi's can be wild in their own private times with girls and let loose?? Oh puhleeese! what a silly silly post!