Hadith and thier Authenticity [Split]

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Re: Hadith and thier Authenticity [Split]

@MKF

Did i say that? Never. i mean why a Hadith which was transmitted to Hazrat Ayesha was only transmitted to one person further and not more. we can reasonably think that someone in the middle just said that he heard from falaan bin falaan who heard it from Hazrat Ayesha while Hazrat Ayesha might never have known it. Why do you always drag this discussion into Namos-e-Sahaba where as i do not have any such intention.

this is a requirement for it to be a correct hadeeth. The original narrator must have these conditions:
• 1.) Been a Muslim at the time of the prophet, peace be upon him
• 2.) Saw the prophet, peace be upon him
• 3.) Been known for his/her memory
• 4.) Been known integrity & honesty and trustworthiness
• 5.) If they say that they “heard” or “he said” then they must have actually been there to hear it.
• 6.) died as a Muslim

Excellent, now tell me are these Ghareeb Ahadeeths are included in Sahih Bukhari. Also tell me that is it possible to declare something Haraam or Halaal in Islam on the basis of a Ghareeb Hadith. If not then i need not to discuss anymore. That is only the point i want people to understand.

then that mean you don’t trust that sahabi, or abusing him/her of being a lier

I never said that i am the only genious however see the history you will always find skeptics who have been marginalized by main stream mullahs by calling them heretics and munkireen-e-Ahadith however they never rejected Ahadith, they rejected statements portrayed as ahadith by the hypocrites and impostors. Now these mullahs have collected these Ahadith **they want to give them equal status to Quran. **Off course not all are wrong but you know one wrong hadith ending up in Sahih Bukhari makes the collectors ability to judge right from wrong completely doubtful. If he can err once he can err twice or many more. The credibility is at stake.

Allah have given them status after Quran , because hadees are also the revelations of Allah but the only difference is of Wahi matlo and not matlo
means thoes which to be recited regularly ie Quran and not matlo which are not recited like Quran

none hadees in sahih bukhari is wrong
there are some which are know as zaeeef , but that does’t mean that are wrong

when ever , some of the ravi doesn’t full fill the above criteria , then it is called zaeef , it doesn’t mean it is wrong
there are also many ahadees which have multiple chains and among thoes one of chain is zaeef then thoes hadees are called zaeef with resepect to thoes chains

there are more then 50 types of Ahadees and Sahih is one type , it doesn’t mean that if hadees is not sahih then it is wrong
i am giving the name of some so that you can search and study them

Murfoha ahadees
Moqoof ahadees
Maqtooha ahadees

Mutasil ahadees
Munkatih ahadees
Muazal ahadees
Mualaq ahadees
Mursil ahadees
Sahih ahadees
Hassan ahadees
Zaeef ahadees

Mutawtir ahadees
Mashoor ahadees
Aziz ahadees
Ghareeb ahadees

Shaaz ahadees
Mehfooz ahadees
Munkir ahadees
Mahroof ahadees

Qudsi ahadees

and many more

I am not doubting sahabas, for Allah’s sake last time i am telling you, i am doubting the people between the sahabas and the compilers and compilers criteria for judging between right and wrong. and no more i will refute this allegation. If you think similarly so be it, my matter is with Allah.

unintentially you are doing so, life of every ravi till compiler is recorded
criteria of checking hadees is much much stronger then your thought

why do not you tell me the criteria. i have got all the six hadith books (both Arabic and English translation) in a mosque where i say my prayers. where is the criteria written?

try to get the full books not the extracted versions, their full criterias are given

also read the purpose of compilation of books by these imams

for example
imam bukhari RA wants to point out the fikhai ikham from the sahih hadees

imam muslim RA wants to collect same types of hadees togethers thats why it is easier to find hadees in sahih Muslim then in sahih Bukhari

imam abu dawood Ra wants to collect thoes hadees to explain some purpose on which some one would have debated and have tried to describe that in different ways, and if some hadees is zaeef , then he also tried to talk on that