Hadeeth, fact or fiction?

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Dear aahmed- I hope you wont mind if I sneak in a few questions of my own.

The point is, I DO have a problem with the way conventional muslims pray, it just doesn't make sense to me, to read back to God what He told us. To give blessings and salutations to a prophet when logic would dictate that he himself did not give blessings and salutations to himself in his prayers, thus negating the fact that conventional muslims pray today EXACTLY the way the Prophet prayed.

I'd only like to ask you this, are you familiar with Arabic? and have you prayed often with a congregation? When you pray in a congregation, the recitation of the Quranic Verses is in a way saying that ALL of us muslims believe in this Ayah, we believe in You. It is a learning as well, since all muslims gather and concentrate on the same verses.

Also, maybe it doesn't make sense to read back Allah's verses to him, but not everything that Islam has commanded us to do, is for Allah only. Similar is the case of Salat. It is just as much for Allah as it is for own spiritual upbringing.

Secondly, I have a problem with La Ilaaha Illallah, mUhammed ur rasool allah... did Ibrahim's people say La Ilaaha Illallah, Ibrahim ur rasool allah? Did Moses's people say La Ilaaha Illallah, Moosa ur rasool allah? You get my point? Those people also brought Islam, so why don't we say La ilaaha Illallah, muhammed, wa musa, wa eisa, wa ibrahim.... al rasoolullah? The basic elementary foundation of Islam is that there is no God but Allah, yet we insist on sticking muhammed's name up there as the basis of our religion, and then people get upset if the westerners call them "mohammedens".

How do you explain all the verses which explicitly ask us to follow Allah(SWT) and his Apostle(PBUH)? You will not be questioning the Quran next about how it mentions the Prophet(PBUH) right?

It is good to dig deeper and do research, please be kind enough to share the results of your research with us. JazakAllah khair.

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Oh btw- I'd like to echo this question to you as well:

aahmed, are you saying that the sayings and teachings of Ibrahim (A.S) remained intact and preserved , (without any of the sacrifices and efforts that people had to put in to preserve Prophet Muhammad's (S) Hadeeths) but the teachings and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (S) could NOT remain intact and preserved ??

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He does not know, like aahmed he is making one too… its that simple. He is dodging everyone and we keep following him??

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/pukey.gif

People have asked him umpteeth number of times, and everytime he responded same way i.e. dodge the question.

May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

[This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited May 02, 2002).]

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Originally posted by aahmed:
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Secondly, I have a problem with La Ilaaha Illallah, mUhammed ur rasool allah... did Ibrahim's people say La Ilaaha Illallah, Ibrahim ur rasool allah? Did Moses's people say La Ilaaha Illallah, Moosa ur rasool allah? You get my point? Those people also brought Islam, so why don't we say La ilaaha Illallah, muhammed, wa musa, wa eisa, wa ibrahim.... al rasoolullah? The basic elementary foundation of Islam is that there is no God but Allah, yet we insist on sticking muhammed's name up there as the basis of our religion, and then people get upset if the westerners call them "mohammedens".
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The "kalima" is provided in Quran, if you have problem with "La ilaha il Allah Muhammad-ur-rasool ul Allah" then you are most welcome to say
"aamantu billahi wamala-ikatihi wa-kutubihi wa-rusulihi"
thus including all of HIS messengers, happy there???

May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

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Originally posted by aahmed:
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Saadia, i will PM you the result of my searches.
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why do you want to PM? why not share with everyone??? please do share with everyone, thanks.

May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

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Re: Hadeeth, fact or fiction?

Probability of Narrations

In Hadith terminology, we come across terms such as thiqa (trustworthy), mutqin (convincing), ‘adl (just), sadūq (veracious), matrūk (abandoned), da‘īf (weak) and so on. Each of these terms is used to denote the level of the reliability of a transmitter (rāvī) of Prophetic Traditions.
And there is another group of terms such as sahīh (sound), hasan (good) and da‘īf (weak). When any of these terms are predicated of a Prophetic Tradition, they indicate the proportion of probability of whether a supposed prophetic tradition actually belongs to the Prophet.
Examining prophetic traditions, scholars studying prophetic traditions took into account the consistency of transmitters in general terms and all different chains of transmission of a prophetic tradition. They evaluated prophetic traditions according to what these two criteria makes more probable.
In this book, the author proposes a model to determine numerical values of classes of transmitters and of properties (hukm) of prophetic traditions. It will also to help identify the most probable form of any prophetic tradition.

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Re: Hadeeth, fact or fiction?

Haq Allah!!
Dear aahmed, What I have gathered from the above posts, is that you are being played in wrong hands. Your master, Mohammad Shaikh, the follower of Ahmed Deedaat, is a rejector of Ahadeeth-e-Mubarakah. Hence, having no place in Islam. OR you may be a victim of any other of the same kind. Please correct yourself. Seek pardon and guidance from Allah Taa'la.

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Re: Hadeeth, fact or fiction?

Now that is a revelation for me. Ahmed Deedat did not believe in the Ahadith. Can you please provide some reference for this because I am a staunch admirer of his comparative religous dawah.