According to popular tradition the Guru went to Makkah. Also famously it is said he rested with his feet towards the qibla.
But why would he have gone there?
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But why would he have gone there?
sight seeing, pilgrimage, exploration... God knows better
he rested with his feet towards the qibla.
many people in haram also sleep with feet in the direction fo qibla ! no big deal.
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Big deal is when sikh people tell following story.
"people told gru nanak to move his feet away from towards Kaaba. when he move his feet kaab also moved with it"
Now If you put 2 things together
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many people in haram also sleep with feet in the direction of qibla ! no big deal.
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More like in united India it was tradition among Muslims not to point their feet to wards Kaaba. And sikh are well aware of that.
So the probably whole feet myth developed locally in Indian Punjab.
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He made a journey to Arabia. Dont know about resting with feet towards Qibla, story.
Wiki says that Never did he ask his listeners to follow him. He asked the Muslims to be true Muslims and the Hindus to be true Hindus
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I dont know how true this is but its on the web, it must be true (
me and my humour, awsome).
Ok lets assume that the quote in red is true (maybe some sikh guppie can clarify that). My question is this thst if you have a true message, why dont you want people to follow you. I can go around and tell christians to be true christians and jews to be true jews, but where is the message here. Yo knwo what I am saying
Now I am not throwing dirt at Guru Nanak. He is the leader of a very big religious faith and I respect him from that perspective. I just want to know that
Same question I have is with Hunduism. If that is the true message/faith/way of life (as Hindus must believe that it is), why the concept of preeching or convertism to hinduism is not there.
I talked to someone and he said “because every human is born hindu by default and then they might live as jew, christian, muslim, what ever, it does not matter. When every one is hindu by default, why to convert them”.
But then one could ask, why to kill them also (as was done in Gujrat to muslims). Killing any human in Hinduism should be like killing another Hindu.
Anyway, I dont know how true the quotes in red and blue are. Need some feedback from Hindus and Sikhs on that
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Yes u r absolutelyc orrect. Killing any human ss a sin. those people who killed
were morons. yaar how many people participated in riots?? not more than 5-7K. . those were some pissed off stupid- moron- idiots.
there are 80 crores hindus in india so those rioters represent .0000000002% population. and this much percentage of a*** are there in every religion.
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Yes u r absolutelyc orrect. Killing any human ss a sin. those people who killed were morons. yaar how many people participated in riots?? not more than 5-7K. . those were some pissed off stupid- moron- idiots. there are 80 crores hindus in india so those rioters represent .0000000002% population. and this much percentage of a*** are there in every religion.
No I am not questioning the riots. Yes I know that Idiots are everywhere and we cannot generalize and say that all hindus are like that. Mostly, hindus and muslims leave in relatively peaceful atmosphere in India and 99% of them are nice peaceful and law biding people.
I just want to know if my quotes in red and blue are true or not.
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Didn't Guru Nanak pick things from different religions to make his own religion 'Sikhism'?
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^^ that is also my impression
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Who cares if he did or did not visit Makkah, he died a kaafir as he did not accept Islam.
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^^ but he died believing in god
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Kufr in Islam means not having both beleives at the same time. First being God/Allah is One, second is Muhammed (PBUH) is his Rasool
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^^ but he died believing in god
Which one? I believe Sikhs/Hindus have more than one?
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Yup but the orginiator is one.All are aspects of the supreme Brahman.
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^ What ever the case, he did not believe in Allah and his messenger Muhammed (PBUH)
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Which one? I believe Sikhs/Hindus have more than one?
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No according to actual Hinduism, there is only one supreme God.
idol worship is the same as how christians pray to the cross. Idol worship is only a way to get the human mind to think about God.
Aren't Allah and God interchangeable, they are one and the same right?
source:"am I a Hindu" book
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Actually don't Sikh believe in the Prophet? Or at least consider him to be a good man?
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Didn't Guru Nanak pick things from different religions to make his own religion 'Sikhism'?
Half of the sikh holy book is taken from pakistani sufi poet "bully shah"
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I think Sikhism is 300 to 400 years old religon.(correct me)
My questions are:
People who accepted Guru jee at that time, what were they following before accepting Sikhism ?
What convinced them to change their religon. Do they consider Guru Jee to be some kind of a prophet who might have some miracles or words of God ?
According to Sikhs is there any life after death. If so, than what would be the criteria of punishment and reward for those who died before Guru jee was born.
From the books, there seems to be only one witness of the incident of Kaaba moving with feet. And guess what ? The witness is the Guru himself as he is the only person who claims this incident in his Guru granta (correct me if I wrote wrong). Not very convincing when the "only" witness of a miracle is the person himself. With this criteria even a lier can claim anything in his own book (no offense intended to anyone)
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Aren't Allah and God interchangeable, they are one and the same right?
Should not they be, for every religion which believes in one God.
If I think that My Allah is different then someone elses's God then I am no longer Muslim by defination, I become Mushrik
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Guru Nanak was a sufi muslim. Those who call him a disbeliever are slandering against his noble character. Why would a hindu (and a deviant at that) travel thousands of miles to visit Makkah? Why would such a person study in Baghdad? Why would he wear a coat which bore Quranic verses? Why would he ask his followers to grow beards and be chaste and defend their rights?
Answer to all these questions is that he was a muslim. And a great muslim too.