ISIS, Al Quieda, and every other organisation looking for public relations opportunity has claimed responsibility.
Gunmen take hostages in Bangladeshi capital Dhaka - BBC News
Gunmen have stormed a popular cafe in the diplomatic area of the Bangladeshi capital, Dhaka, taking a number of hostages, officials say.
Several foreigners are among those being held by eight or nine armed men in the Holey Artisan Bakery cafe in the city’s Gulshan district, they add…
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The gunmen attacked the Holey Artisan Bakery on Friday evening, killing two police officers and taking hostage a number of people said to have included seven Italians.
Lieutenant Colonel Tuhin Mohammad Masud, the officer in charge of Bangladeshi commandos, said the rescued included a Japanese citizen, who was injured, and two Sri Lankans. He said there were casualties among other hostages but did not provide details. …
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Just wait till the blame is put on Pakistan on the order of BD's neighboring boss who is quite efficient in these practices.
Nevertheless, a barbaric act once again, just a continued horror.
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shame. bangladesh was doing so well the past several years.
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The more this happens, the less words I have to express my anger. I am angry that we have no idea how to stop people from our communities radicalizing. It starts with spreading awareness and condemning violence that very much exists in islam in madrasas and mosques. Saying islam is religion of peace is not enough. Do something about it. It's like the leaders of Spanish inquisition claiming Christianity is a religion of peace and tolerance. Yes, I realize the west gave birth to these terrorist but what they are doing now is no longer revenge, they are killing the innocent in the name of your religion. Won't you step up and defend it?
I also know most of these people joining these terrorist groups have little to no knowledge of Islam and are petty criminals, violent in nature, people. These people have ruined religion for what it is supposed to be for a person. I don't see a lot of Muslims stepping up and telling the imams and scholars of Islam to address this problem and collectively condemn the parts of religion that justify this violence. I know it's not easy and as a muslim, it is cherry picking what you want taught to your youth but if we don't do this, we are either going to lose it al together or there will be more extremists.
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Here we go… as I predicted in earlier post, Indian rubbish media has already taken task to blame Pakistan for this using only one statement from BD’s adviser.
Pak’s ISI Suspected Of Link To Bangladesh Attack: Top Official To NDTV
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THE NEWSPAPER REPORTS ON DHAKA CARNAGE SAY........
"Survivors of the attack said the killers made their hostages recite verses from the Koran to identify who was Muslim and who was not. Those who could recite the Islamic holy book were spared while those unable to were killed, the survivors said."
Now is the time, the Muslims should stop shamelessly parroting that "Islam is a religion of peace and the Islamic terrorists are misguided elements".
They should now realize that all the Islamic terrorists world over are precisely doing and executing what exactly they have been religiously taught and instructed to do. They also should realize that the Islamic teachings i.e. the Quran is filled with terror verses, as a result as many as 164 verses pertain to Jihad. This apart, the verses justifying killings, slaying, burning, chopping body parts etc. too are in abundance. Not even one verse, I repeat one verse, in Quran talks any thing about doing good for all human beings.
Do the Muslims ever think, what would happen if one day whole of the non Muslim world retaliates.....?
Pakistan Liberal Party - PLP
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They specifically targeted non-believers.
Dhaka cafe attackers spared hostages who could recite Quran - World - DAWN.COM
Also Hasina of Bangladesh says they were not IS but rather local militant islamists. Religious people intoxicated on religious righteousness keep on committing these acts of violence, but what do we answer it with? Parroting the same old ingrained lies, our inherited religion is the religion of peace, terrorists has no religion and so on.
If terrorism has no religion then why can the terrorists and their supporters always present an ayat or hadees to support their criminal activities? Saying it’s all due to “misinterpretations” is nothing but a cop out. No one is buying it anymore.
Wrote my post without reading Mostar’s post. Good to see there are many of us who are now openly opposing this religious carnage.
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shame. bangladesh was doing so well the past several years.
Hyperreligiosity will be the bane of Bangladesh's existence too, like it has been the bane of Pakistan's existence. Then we will say, we need even more religion to save us from this madness caused by religion. The glorification of religion and religion as a solution to the problems caused by religious madness needs to stop.
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The more this happens, the less words I have to express my anger. I am angry that we have no idea how to stop people from our communities radicalizing. It starts with spreading awareness and condemning violence that very much exists in islam in madrasas and mosques. Saying islam is religion of peace is not enough. Do something about it. It's like the leaders of Spanish inquisition claiming Christianity is a religion of peace and tolerance. Yes, I realize the west gave birth to these terrorist but what they are doing now is no longer revenge, they are killing the innocent in the name of your religion. Won't you step up and defend it?
I also know most of these people joining these terrorist groups have little to no knowledge of Islam and are petty criminals, violent in nature, people. These people have ruined religion for what it is supposed to be for a person. I don't see a lot of Muslims stepping up and telling the imams and scholars of Islam to address this problem and collectively condemn the parts of religion that justify this violence. I know it's not easy and as a muslim, it is cherry picking what you want taught to your youth but if we don't do this, we are either going to lose it al together or there will be more extremists.
What you say is true in many regards, we as a community are failing to address the most pressing issues facing us, and our scholars are not doing enough to take the task of community welfare. The job and role of a scholar should not become limited to the person we respect because he/she has memorized the Quran alone, or knows the hadith alone. A scholar knows how to suggest policies in accordance with the Quran and Sunnah. Unfortunately, that is not happening.
It all starts with regulation of Madrassas. They do good work by providing for the extremely poor who can't afford a traditional schooling experience, but they need oversight.
Waters get muddied when politics is injected into the entire thing, and any effort made to the left, right or center is bound to upset someone. Take for example the fact that KPK Govt. in Pakistan decided to (according to their leadership) regulate a well-known madrassa, and the way to do that they figure is to provide that madrassa a budget which can then be used in the most benefitting manner to bring about a curricular change, and prevent funding from other objectionable sources (name your favorite badguy country)and If that succeeds, of course it would be money well-spent. But you already have detractors like the ruling party which is currently facing corruption allegations of its' own, and the notorious conman known as Zardari taking potshots at the effort from afar.
And then there are the people of the opposite extreme who would want religion taken out of society completely without thinking about how foolish of a suggestion that would be for a society that identifies itself as being Muslim, practice of it being far from completion, but nonetheless.
The entire thing requires an all-around sincere effort. If the political component of the national machinery, the religious component of the national machinery, and the Brass do not create a singular plan, then it's bound to fail because each part of the authority will undermine the other for temporary self-motivated goals.
Unfortunately, the tragic incident of this heinous crime of executing non-muslims at the hands of illiterate fools automatically makes it a religious thing and the opportunists jump at the opportunity to ensure it stays a religious issue so that they can further their agenda.
It's not a religious problem, it's a political problem but the people involved in the incident use whatever means they feel they comprehend according to their limited thinking, even if those means happen to be using the religious text. It's the people that need education, and changing the religious is completely fine, and the religious scripture is wholesome as it always has been. When we start to demand more from our scholars in terms of their credentials, and ensuring that a regulatory body checks to see who is teaching us the truth, and filtering out the soothsayers in the garb of imams, then we'll be fine and religions will mold us into beautiful people who take the property of their neighbor as sacred and protect it and actively fight against hatred, and/or violence. Until that effort takes place at the administrative level, people will keep using whatever they feel justifies their desires, and fools among us will keep attaching religion to them further solidifying the faux shell of a cover to a political and administrative problem.
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The way both Mostar and Iqbal (though i'm guessing they are the multi of same person) jump up and down celebrating these events is hilarious. I know it provides opportunity to say all the BS they can think of against Islam and Quran but they are as senseless as always.
Islam has been here for 1200+ years.
Terrorism started for last two decades in particularly after first Iraq war.
Do the math.
How many people have you seen in person or read defending this terrorism. Let me guess. ZERO. How many muslims you have seen/read condemning all this. Let me guess, TONS.
You want to blame Actor's faith on the base of his actions, go ahead but its the most stupid thing one can ever imagine. But again how else you would broadcast your agenda.
Now what theorist pointed out completely makes sense. Muslims do need to do more than condemning. And i think they are trying but the bunch of bad guyz have become so powerful that their violent actions are taking over the large peaceful majority. Which usually happens. It'll take some time but i'm sure the sane voice of west together with moderate muslims will get over this threat and there'll be peace.
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Because over the last two centuries till 1979 - the jihadi ideology was suppressed due to Arab Nationalism but then due Irani inqilab and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - it was revived by KSA and American alliance - the later did not foresee the serious consequences of it.
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[RIGHT]پنے دیس میں اجنبیاس کا نام کارِن ہے، وہ سویڈن کے دوسرے بڑے شہر گوتھن برگ کے ضلع بیرگشون کے ایک علاقے میں 1970 سے رہتی آ رہی ہے۔ لیکن اب یہ علاقہ مکمل طور پر تبدیل ہو گیا ہے، مسلمان گروہ در گروہ اس علاقے میں آن بسے ہیں جس سے اس علاقے کی ہیئت تبدیل ہو گئی ہے۔ یہاں اب مسلمانوں کی اکثریت ہے۔ کارِن ہر روز اپنے بالکونی میں کھڑے ہو کر برقعہ پوش مسلمان عورتوں کو گزرتا دیکھتی ہے۔
اس کا کہنا ہے کہ وہ اس علاقہ میں واحد مقامی باشندہ رہ گئی ہے۔ اس کے بقول پہلے ہم یہاں باہر بنچوں پر بیٹھ کر کافی پیا کرتے تھے، اب یہ ممکن نہیں رہا۔ اب یہاں پر جرائم پیشہ جتھوں اور اسلام پسندوں نے ڈیرہ ڈال لیا ہے ۔ اب یہاں پر منشیات اور ہتھیاروں کی خرید و فروخت ہوتی نظر آتی ہے۔
اب یہاں مسلمان پولیس افسر لوگوں کو ہدایت دیتے ہے کہ لوگوں کو کیسے رہنا چاہیئے، کونسی کپڑے پہننے کی اجازت نہیں ہے اور موسیقی سننا ممنوع ہے۔
کارِن نے صومالیہ، شام اور عراق سے تعلق رکھنے والے اپنے پڑوسیوں کو مقامی معاشرت کے قواعد و ضوابط سمجھانے کی کوشش کی ہے لیکن وہ کچھ بھی سننے کیلئے تیار نہیں ہیں۔ ان کے بقول وہ مسلمان ہیں اور ان کے نزدیک مقامی معاشرے کو تبدیل ہونا چاہیئے۔
وہ سویڈن میں کسی چیز سے بھی خوش نہیں ہیں۔ وہ ناقابل یقین حد مقامی معاشرے کو نا پسند کرتے ہیں، انہیں یہاں کچھ بھی اچھا نہیں لگتا۔ انہیں یہاں پیسے اور گھر دیئے جاتے ہیں، بچے کی پیدائش پر صومالی عورتوں کو نئی pram دی جاتی ہے۔ یہاں پر ایسے سیاستدان ہیں جو ان کے مفادات کی نگرانی کرنے کے علاوہ ان کی حق میں آواز اٹھاتے ہیں،لیکن پھر بھی ہر وقت شاکی نظر آتے ہیں۔
اس علاقے میں مسلمان پولیس افسر متعین ہیں۔ لیکن وہ یہاں لوگوں کو اس طرح کی ہدایات دینے میں زیادہ دلچسپی دکھاتے ہیں کہ وہ کونسا لباس پہنیں تاکہ اسلامی اقدار مجروح نہ ہوں۔ یہ مسلمان پولیس افسران رمضان کے مہینے میں بہت متحرک ہوتے ہیں۔ انہوں نے کارِن کو بھی روک کر بتایا ہے، کہ وہ اپنا لباس تبدیل کرے کیونکہ اس کا مختصر لباس اسلام اقدار کے منافی ہے کیونکہ اس میں اس کی ٹانگیں نظر آتی ہیں۔
کارِن کو پہلے پہل شک ہوا کہ پولیس والا اس سے مذاق کر رہا ہے، لیکن پولیس افسر نے غصے سے اسے کہا کہ اگر میری بات پر عمل نہ کیا تو ہر قسم کے نتائج کی زمہ دار تم خود ہو گی۔
کارِن اس بات کا تو علم نہیں کہ یہ گروہ کس قدر منظم انداز سے کام کر رہے ہیں، لیکن اس کے بقول بیس سال پہلے کوئی یہ سوچ بھی سکتا تھا کہ مسلمان اس انداز میں اپنے مطالبات پر عمل کروانا شروع کر دیں گے۔ کارن کے بقول یہ سویڈن کی امیگریشن پالیسی کی ناکامی ہے کہ سیاستدانوں نے مسلمانوں کو کھل کھیلنے کی اجازت دی جس کے نتیجے میں اس قدر طاقتور مذہبی گروپ سامنے آئے ہیں کہ وہ مقامی لوگوں کو بھی دہشت زدہ کر سکیں۔ گو ابھی تک تشدد کا کوئی واقعہ سامنے تو نہیں آیا لیکن ہم ہر وقت خوفزدہ اور سہمے ہوئے رہتے ہیں
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کارِن اس برگشون کو یاد کرتی ہے جب سب ایک دوسرے کے ساتھ دوستانہ انداز میں بات کرتے تھے اور ایک دوسرے سے عزت سے پیش آتے تھے۔ لیکن اب حالات پہلے جیسے نہیں رہے، کارن چاہتی ہے کہ سیاستدان آئیں اور دیکھیں کہ یہاں کیا ہو رہا ہے۔
علاقے میں مقیم مسلمانوں کے نزدیک اس علاقے کے مسائل کی وجہ یہ ہے کہ ان کی فلاح کی طرف کم توجہ دی جاتی ہیں اور مزید تارکین وطن کو ملک میں آنے سے روکنے کیلئے سخترویہ اپنایا جاتا ہے، حالانکہ سچ یہ ہے کہ یہ لوگ مقامی معاشرے کا حصہ بننا ہی نہیں چاہتے، بلکہ انہوں نے وہاں پر متوازی معاشرہ قائم کیا ہوا ہے.
کارِن کے نزدیک اس مسئلے سے نپٹنے کا ایک ہی راستہ بچا ہے کہ ان نئے آبادکاروں کو انتخاب کرنے کا کہا جائے کہ اگر کسی کو مقامی معاشرہ پسند نہیں ہے تو وہ کسی اور ملک چلا جائے۔ کارن کے بقول اس کی بات کو سخت سمجھا جائے لیکن اب اس کے سوا کوئی چارہ نہیں رہا۔ وگرنہ حالات اس قدر بگڑ جائیں گے کہ ان کو سدھارنا کسی کے بس میں نہیں رہے گا۔ ہمارے سیاسداوں نے غلطی کی اور متوازی معاشروں کو ابھرنے کی اجازت دی، جس کے نتیجے میں مذہبی انتہا پسندی پیدا ہوئی۔
کارن اس علاقے کو چھوڑنے کیلئے تیار نہیں ہے، کیونکہ اس کے بقول وہ ان انتہا پسند جتھوں سے ڈرنے والی نہیں ہے، مزید برآن اسے اس علاقے کی فضا اور مناظر پسند ہیں۔ لیکن جب سے کے مقامی سویڈ پاشندے اس علاقے کو چھوڑ گئے تو اسے بہت تنہائی محسوس ہوتی ہے کیونکہ اب وہ اس علاقے میں آخری مقامی سویڈ ہے۔[/RIGHT]
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Because over the last two centuries till 1979 - the jihadi ideology was suppressed due to Arab Nationalism but then due Irani inqilab and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - it was revived by KSA and American alliance - the later did not foresee the serious consequences of it.
Aha, so now you know the reason. As per your own post KSA and American alliance digged out the small group who started a marginally small section of religion for their own benefit. But that small group became large and slowly went out of control.
Quran is read from east to west and north to south. It isnt only for "arab nationalists". Those who read and understand Quran know very well how much it emphasizes on saving lives and clearly says God doesnt like who spread Fasaad.
And as someone said those who look for an evil find an excuse either way. If not religion it'll be something else.
But in particularly Islam is being misused/abused by two groups:
One who mould the given directions as per their own political needs and use them as an excuse to harm others.
Second group keep an eye on the first group and use their actions as a excuse to attack Quran without even going in the detail of scenario or understand properly. Both groups are alike as they have their own agendas to work on as a destructive campaign.
There is no difference in both groups. Luckily majority of muslims are still in neither and they understand things better.
I guess you and Iqbal Ali know the second group very well :)
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The world is changing - people are living in multicultural societies but Muslims do not come out of their well! They dream of re-building their empire again by these fire crackers like one the BD!
If Islam (or any other religion) was true, why it was not reveled in Quran that earth is round and that there were lands of Americas in west? So that instead of sailing towards north - Tariq Bin Ziyad would have landed on the American shores.
And today there would have been no USA to support Israel.
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Quran is read from east to west and north to south. It isnt only for "arab nationalists". Those who read and understand Quran know very well how much it emphasizes on saving lives and clearly says God doesnt like who spread Fasaad.
:)
They are makki ayas and the other ones are madani.
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most of the victims who got tortured and slaughtered with knives by these heavenly bound jihadis seem to have been young women.
bangladesh has never really been the hotbed for jihad or extremism, nor a country with a lot of disgruntled youth. but IS has secured a foothold rather quickly and easily even there.
Is this guy an extremist or not?
Because I dont think he is bankrolled by any “enemy country”.
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The way both Mostar and Iqbal (though i'm guessing they are the multi of same person) jump up and down celebrating these events is hilarious. I know it provides opportunity to say all the BS they can think of against Islam and Quran but they are as senseless as always.
Islam has been here for 1200+ years. Terrorism started for last two decades in particularly after first Iraq war. Do the math.
How many people have you seen in person or read defending this terrorism. Let me guess. ZERO. How many muslims you have seen/read condemning all this. Let me guess, TONS.
You want to blame Actor's faith on the base of his actions, go ahead but its the most stupid thing one can ever imagine. But again how else you would broadcast your agenda.
Now what theorist pointed out completely makes sense. Muslims do need to do more than condemning. And i think they are trying but the bunch of bad guyz have become so powerful that their violent actions are taking over the large peaceful majority. Which usually happens. It'll take some time but i'm sure the sane voice of west together with moderate muslims will get over this threat and there'll be peace.
What Mostar and Iqbal posted was the same as Theorist posted. And they added that the Quran has passages that encourage killing of non believers. Without speaking for theorist, it is my guess she woukd agree.
Islam needs reform. Just as Hinduiism, Christianity etc. Any part of any religion that teaches violence or bigotry should he condemned. Rose colored glasses should come off.
NOW.
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Here is the quote from that article
“Pakstan’s ISI and Jamaat connection is well known…they want to derail the current government,” HT Imam told NDTV, adding “all victims were hacked to death like Jamaat and local terror groups do”.
NDTV simply reported this. NDTV has not made any editoriaizing in this article. In fact, you are the one doing the “rubbish” editoriaizing here.