Gunman targets Israeli kibbutz

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This will teach treachorous Israeli women who dare to read bedtime stories to their children. A lesson taught as well to Israeli communities that have the audacity to promote reconciliation with the Palestinians and an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank. This is the only way to further the righteous cause of an oppressed people. :2guns:

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A gunman has killed five people, including two young children, after entering a kibbutz in northern Israel, close to the border with the West Bank.
Residents were ordered to stay inside their houses as security forces searched for the attacker but it was later conceded that he had escaped.

The militant al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack which came just hours after two Palestinians died near the Metzer kibbutz when their car blew up in what officials said was a failed suicide bombing…

The two children killed in the Metzer attack - boys aged four and five - died with their mother as she tried to shield them.

The two other adult victims - a man and a woman - were shot in the communal dining hall of the kibbutz, which supports itself through its farm and the manufacture of pipes.

David Baker, an official in the Israeli prime minister’s office, said: “Israelis in their own homes were brutally targeted by Palestinians terrorists.”

A resident at the kibbutz told Israel radio: “There was shooting for close to 10 minutes then the security forces arrived and we’re shut inside the houses.”

Reports from Israel say that the kibbutz was known for its stance promoting reconciliation with the Palestinians and an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank…

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i hope someday these israeli terrorist children in kibbutzes see the bad vibes they are sending all over the world by working together in a communal environment.

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I would really be interested in seing the tally of innocent casualties on both sides. This is outrageous. Human life is human life.. I cant stand these murderers on both sides. animals

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Disgusting, what would compel a man to kill children. I mean the Israelis never do it, darn Arabs, acting without provocation or cause all these times.

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The actions of fanatics do not change the oppression of everyone else. The guys who did this are wring and should by lynched in public. This however does not decrease the suffering of an average Palestinan one bit.

Stories also note that their were very good relations between teh jewish town and the arab areas around it. Many arabs attended the funerals and said that they knew their counterparts for 50 years.

Lets not have the fanatical face of terrorists paint an entire group of people.

**The kibbutzniks have enjoyed friendly relations with their Arab neighbors. On Monday, old and young people from Messer, an Israeli Arab village separated only by a street from the kibbutz, came to show their respects at the funeral of the kibbutz’ general secretary, Yitzhak Dori, one of the five killed.

Palestinian villager Taher Arda, 60, and Jewish mourners wearing skullcaps shoveled dirt onto Dori’s coffin. Later, villagers laid a wreath on his grave with the Hebrew inscription: “From Messer, we feel your grief.”

Old Arab men wearing keffiyehs swayed on their canes as they talked to their Jewish friends inside the kibbutz grounds.

“When someone dies there, we feel the pain here and when someone dies here, they feel the pain there. We have lived together for 50 years,” Metzer resident Yoav Ben Naftali, 57, told Ahmed Hussein, 71, of Messer. “You’re right,” Hussein responded in Hebrew.

Arda said his father guarded the first tent set up on the land when the kibbutzniks moved in, protecting it from attacks across the border of what was then Jordan. Although land from Messer and other nearby villages was taken to build the kibbutz, relations were friendly from the beginning.

“We understood it (confiscation) as something done by the government, not by the people,” Arda said. Villagers allowed the kibbutzniks to use their well and when the farm was established and a deeper well dug, the kibbutz returned the favor.

In the past 50 years, the two communities shared weddings, funerals and holidays. **

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I’m not a pacifist so I’m going to say: an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." I’m with the Palestinians. :k:

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Your brilliant, you should go join them over there as both sides take this belief to heart and won’t stop until they’re all dead.

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.. so why dont u join that jihad and start killing jewish kids! sadly, land can make peopel kill others kids.. we should start supporting these killers.. there is no difference between jewish army and these fanatics.. both are killers… praising them is praising jewish killers..

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Honestly they got what they deserved. Palestinians die every day. So far there have been 3 bombs difused by the IDF which settlers had planted at Palestinian Schools. I am all for Bush's doctrine of us vs them. You american use it, accept it when other use it.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by CM: *
Honestly they got what they deserved. Palestinians die every day. So far there have been 3 bombs difused by the IDF which settlers had planted at Palestinian Schools. I am all for Bush's doctrine of us vs them. You american use it, accept it when other use it.
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CM, they deserved it?? Innocents upon both sides don't deserve this, come on.

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Ironically i have never seen you say that when Palestinian children are blown to bits with missile strikes. Maybe that day you get too much work to post eh?

Edit: If Palestinian children can be collateral damage, i see nothing wrong if Israeli children are. Tit for tat and all that.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by underthedome: *

Your brilliant, you should go join them over there as both sides take this belief to heart and won't stop until they're all dead.
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If you want to implement peace you can do so but don’t forget the atrocious bloodshed that have been taking place of these guiltless Palestinians for past many years. I totally comprehend your point of view. I am not in favor of annihilation of human life however, if you are being demoralized, and being subjugated by some ruthless regime, who have no reverence of human life but instead they are inclined to such bloodbath then you are not left with much options. I would have to agree moona on this then. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. I personally don’t see any harm in it. In fact, this is the only alternative you are left with. Most of the Muslim nations have been persecuted in one way or another and I don’t see any change in it. Every human soul desires to live in peace and harmony but under some circumstances it becomes improbable. For instance, if I was born in Palestine and certainly had lived all my life with instant trepidation of getting killed and then had seen my elders sacrificing their lives for their land, religion and importantly for upcoming generation. What option am I left with? All I have seen is violence all around me so far. I have seen sufficient sufferings of my community, relatives, and significantly my family. I can go in more details but there is no need of it because we all are aware of the truth. I understand we carry all sort of emotional feelings on our souls. Consequently, we have a tendency to give irrational opinions, which contain no truth whatsoever but instead, sympathy and mildness towards human life. It is indeed very wise to consider every human’s life indispensable in terms of religion and ethics. Alongside, I decisively believe that if you are being oppressed and molested then you have every right to defend yourself, even if you have to slay. Lets not forget we are living contentedly among our families with simplicity and with out any fear of tyranny. May Allah ease all the difficulties of Muslims all around the world and give them the power to conquer their enemies. Ameen

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Wow, some pretty amazing replies to this thread.

I can't add much except maybe to ask why is it you never see any "pro-Israeli" posters give a thumbs up to the killing of innocents. Or people dancing in the streets of Israel or US when Palestinian children are killed.

I find it amazing that some here justify the killing of civilians in settlements as legitimate targets because of illegal occupation -- but I at least can see their reasoning. But to justify the killing of families residing in Israel proper is utterly mind-boggling. This eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth crap (from both sides) is barbaric and totally unproductive.

My 2nd question comes up when someone asks "Allah to ease all the difficulties of Muslims all around the world and give them the power to conquer their enemies." If that was what Allah wanted, don't you think he would have made a move by now? What's he waiting for? Maybe the prayer should be for Allah to ease the suffering of all people and give them the power to live and work together in peace, to love their neighbors with understanding and tolerance. Perhaps he would respond more positively to prayers of peace and not "conquering enemies".

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Wow, some pretty amazing replies to this thread.

I can't add much except maybe to ask why is it you never see any "pro-Israeli" posters give a thumbs up to the killing of innocents. Or people dancing in the streets of Israel or US when Palestinian children are killed.**

go to some israeli bulletin boards and you will see plenty of that. You are looking at your own reaction in comparison with reactions of a few ppl on this board who constitute a small percentage of the total membership.

*I find it amazing that some here justify the killing of civilians in settlements as legitimate targets because of illegal occupation -- but I at least can see their reasoning. But to justify the killing of families residing in Israel proper is utterly mind-boggling. This eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth crap (from both sides) is barbaric and totally unproductive. *

I completely agree, I was similarly shocked when madeleine albright stated in a townhall meeting that the death of innocent children in Iraq was acceptable.

One of y'all who know the exact phrase could you please post it.

That may open a pandoras box of oh we had to do it and oh we had to protect us and what nots.

My point is very simple..killing of innocent civilians is wrong, by anyone, for any reason.

*Perhaps he would respond more positively to prayers of peace and not "conquering enemies". *

agreed

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O.K.

I don't get it? I don't understand some of the ideas expressed here.

Tell me? How old do you have to be? (to be considered a terrorist?)

Horrid.

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children getting tucked into bed by their mother?

Damn what a threat.

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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
O.K.

I don't get it? I don't understand some of the ideas expressed here.

Tell me? How old do you have to be? (to be considered a terrorist?)

Horrid.
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I am afraid but you just appear to be immature at this stage. I think I pretty much laid out what I had to in my previous post. If you are struggling to comprehend my post in that case I really can’t do much because I believe if you were a positive and affirmative thinker then you might had a chance to understand the whole concept behind my post. You seem to jump to conclusions in a swift manner. I recommend you to divest yourself of senseless American “theology”!!

It will be surprisingly helpful;)

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An eye for an eye is a fair concept. They do kill muslim kids, but really both sides need to calm down a bit.

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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
An eye for an eye is a fair concept. They do kill muslim kids, but really both sides need to calm down a bit.
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Finally, someone with some intellectual thoughts….;)

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If the ancient mantra of "an eye for an eye" indeed constitutes "intellectual thought", it would explain the situation that the Palestinians and the rest of the ummah face today.