see the difference and take off in Higher Education since 1998 to date, immense growth! little late but very effective for a educated Pakistan. Musharraf may have falter on few things, he left telecom, media and education at good pace for the future atleast. no this stats doesnt lie atleast! he merely done it, what he has done i guess put together a good team of educationists.
Great news. Thanks for sharing. We need to continue working on this important goal. If we can add just 50 more universities in the next few years, we’ll reach a pretty good ratio of universities to our population.
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Thanks for sharing!
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I am glad with the progress, I think HEC did good job in last few years :k: I hope it continues this way. In 1990s when BB took her 2nd term (I think) she stopped many scholarships meant for MS/PhD in many fields (S&T scholarships… of course the reason was obvious i.e. “misuse of funding” 
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i actually mention that because i always passionate about good unis in Pakistan, as when I needed there were only mickey mouse institutes in Pakistan . So I had to look beyond Pakistan for studies at that time.
Students now should consider themselves lucky to have such oppertunities. For future, we will have results of this huge influx of Unis and have more high skilled and researchers.
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^well said.
Growth yes, but quality no. The top institutions in Pakistan, they are all pre-1999.
i actually mention that because i always passionate about good unis in Pakistan, as when I needed there were only mickey mouse institutes in Pakistan . So I had to look beyond Pakistan for studies at that time.
Students now should consider themselves lucky to have such oppertunities. For future, we will have results of this huge influx of Unis and have more high skilled and researchers.
Before 1999, the only institutions comparable to any B schools in the US were NUST, IBA, LUMS, GIKi, FAST, SZABIST, Agha Khan, King Edwards and maybe UET. The list still holds. What exactly is so special right now?
Growth yes, but quality no. The top institutions in Pakistan, they are all pre-1999.
what on earth you are talking about! name one internationaly reputed university ANYWHERE in the world which achieved the quality standard/repute within few years of it's formation!
The issue here is yes, there are greater number of universities and institutions now in Pakistan; as for the quality, it WILL improve with time. Most of these institutions haven't held their 1st graduation ceremany yet, for crying out loud.
Lets not loose objectivity here, just because you dun like the person who was ruling at that time. Don't you think greater number higher education institutes will increase opportunites for highly qualified professionals in these institutes and on day they will improve their quality as well.
ADDENDUM: some of these institutes are paying 200 - 300 K per month to right candidates, which is enough to encourage our fresh talent graduating or completeing their doctrates abroad to go back to Pakistan. Some of very skilled people I know moved back to Pakistan and they are happy with it.
^^ XP that is correcto. You are right on the money. Many institutions take time to build. Give them 20 years and they will be just fine.
what on earth you are talking about! name one internationaly reputed university ANYWHERE in the world which achieved the quality standard/repute within few years of it's formation!
The issue here is yes, there are greater number of universities and institutions now in Pakistan; as for the quality, it WILL improve with time. Most of these institutions haven't held their 1st graduation ceremany yet, for crying out loud.
Lets not loose objectivity here, just because you dun like the person who was ruling at that time. Don't you think greater number higher education institutes will increase opportunites for highly qualified professionals in these institutes and on day they will improve their quality as well.
ADDENDUM: some of these institutes are paying 200 - 300 K per month to right candidates, which is enough to encourage our fresh talent graduating or completeing their doctrates abroad to go back to Pakistan. Some of very skilled people I know moved back to Pakistan and they are happy with it.
GIKi was amongst the top 5 institutions of Asia, according to Asiaweek in less than 5 years of its formation, just to give you one example. However, after 1999, it slipped to 30 something.
GIKi was amongst the top 5 institutions of Asia, according to Asiaweek in less than 5 years of its formation, just to give you one example. However, after 1999, it slipped to 30 something.
I knew you will quote GIK..do you even know the history of GIK!
Go google it.
Growth yes, but quality no. The top institutions in Pakistan, they are all pre-1999.
You may be right when you say quality no but I believe in getting them educated. Even if you are getting 10% good students from 10/15 institutions its better than having none.
True example is IT students. In 90s all gadhey ghorey were getting BS/CSIT degrees. Every 2nd guy was in Pertomen or doing Oracle Diploma. Now they may not be top tech guys but many (a lot actually) went aboard and not only made their own future but they also send $$$s back home and on top of all this, they inspired next generation to get educated
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spock you hate for mushi is fine, but leave it aside sometime. anywhere in the world new institutes always take some time to settle and create quality students. its far better than past having 20 unis and denying everyone else a chance to be in university and these student left with no option but to do a private BA MA etc and do nothing afterwards.
and Pakistan is not a first world country anyway, its better to have average unis across pakistan rather than having only few hi fi like GIKI, LUMS etc
across border IIT started with many institutes across country with average ratings and improved to good levels now.
on one can grow good alma matars overnight but starting a change and setting a direction is good. Thats what have been done. better ones will shine, low quality ones will vanish or students will reject them.
spock you hate for mushi is fine, but leave it aside sometime. anywhere in the world new institutes always take some time to settle and create quality students. its far better than past having 20 unis and denying everyone else a chance to be in university and these student left with no option but to do a private BA MA etc and do nothing afterwards.
and Pakistan is not a first world country anyway, its better to have average unis across pakistan rather than having only few hi fi like GIKI, LUMS etc
across border IIT started with many institutes across country with average ratings and improved to good levels now.
on one can grow good alma matars overnight but starting a change and setting a direction is good. Thats what have been done. better ones will shine, low quality ones will vanish or students will reject them.
Ive already proved you wrong, based on facts and the example of GIKi. All the kachra thats popped up in the last 8-9 years is just a bunch of money making schemes. So what if theres 50,000 campuses of bahuwuddin IT institute all over Pakistan. Like I said before, apart from Atta's initiative of sending students abroad, nothing good was done, and even this split phd program had various flaws.
Please dont even mention IIT with anything thats started in the lasty 8-9 years in Pakistan. I think its about time we stop painting rosy pictures of stuff thats not true or has never materialized.
If a guy like Ghulam Ishaq formed a top quality institute that did so well, others could have done so as well, had they not been so focused on taking the country for a ride.
You may be right when you say quality no but I believe in getting them educated. Even if you are getting 10% good students from 10/15 institutions its better than having none.
So how come not even ONE institute worth mentioning was formed in the last 9 years? GIK, NUST, LUMS, they were all formed in the democratic regime, which we criticize so much. If they could have done it, why couldnt similar universities be formed in the so called era of 'unprecedented' growth?
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True example is IT students. In 90s all gadhey ghorey were getting BS/CSIT degrees. Every 2nd guy was in Pertomen or doing Oracle Diploma. Now they may not be top tech guys but many (a lot actually) went aboard and not only made their own future but they also send $$$s back home and on top of all this, they inspired next generation to get educated
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Err sorry to burst your bubble, but the gadhey ghorey might have gotten jobs here, but the real cream, i.e. the ones that went to lums, giki, they were the ones getting the top jobs here, which obviously the gadhey ghorey cant even dream of and thats what we really need, outstanding individuals, not mediocre ones. Also, do you realize you are advocating brain drain, which isnt good for Pakistan.
I knew you will quote GIK..do you even know the history of GIK!
Go google it.
Yes I did, and uptil 1999 it was doing pretty well. Hoodboys article was pretty spot on with whats been going on lately as far as academics is concerned. From wiki:
The ordinance of the Institute was promulgated by the Frontier Government in March 1993 and the first batch of students was inducted the same year in October. GIK Institute remained in Top Ten Technical Institutes in Asia by Asia-Week. It maintained its position as 4th and 9th best technical university in 1997 and 1998 respectively (Asia-Week).
Within 4 years after its formation in 1993, it went upto the 4th spot, though after 1999 it was well above the 20th, and eventually no longer found in top tech colleges after that.
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Yes I did, and uptil 1999 it was doing pretty well. Hoodboys article was pretty spot on with whats been going on lately as far as academics is concerned. From wiki:
The ordinance of the Institute was promulgated by the Frontier Government in March 1993 and the first batch of students was inducted the same year in October. GIK Institute remained in Top Ten Technical Institutes in Asia by Asia-Week. It maintained its position as 4th and 9th best technical university in 1997 and 1998 respectively (Asia-Week).
Within 4 years after its formation in 1993, it went upto the 4th spot, though after 1999 it was well above the 20th, and eventually no longer found in top tech colleges after that.
ahan.. and you know what is missing in this history? the fact that idea was floated across SOPREST in late 70's. They started to gather finance in early 80's. around mid 80's they recieved a grant of 50 million from private donners. And some of the best Pakistani minds in Science & Technology (Like Dr A Q Khan and some of his colleages) worked on it till it came into reality in early 90's. So you see GIKI is UNIQUE in Pakistan, since it's a product of around 15 years of planning by best of the minds in their fields, so no wonder It was a success.
We can't expect every institution to take 10, 15 years for planning.
you didn't answer the question in my 1st post.
Ive already proved you wrong, based on facts and the example of GIKi. All the kachra thats popped up in the last 8-9 years is just a bunch of money making schemes. So what if theres 50,000 campuses of bahuwuddin IT institute all over Pakistan. Like I said before, apart from Atta's initiative of sending students abroad, nothing good was done, and even this split phd program had various flaws.
Please dont even mention IIT with anything thats started in the lasty 8-9 years in Pakistan. I think its about time we stop painting rosy pictures of stuff thats not true or has never materialized.
If a guy like Ghulam Ishaq formed a top quality institute that did so well, others could have done so as well, had they not been so focused on taking the country for a ride.
your whole logic is flawed!
what you are doing here is taking example of GIKI, knowing nothing about where it came from, who was involved and how they planned it and then generalising that since GIKI was a success, so every other institute should be a success or should not exist.
ADDENDUM: Government's responsibility is to open new institutions, and if they dun have funds then allow private sector to do it. So if these Private sector institutes are producing GADHAI GHORRAI (which is not proved yet, it's just one of your assumptions here) then they should be forced to improve their quality. TA this stage Government did, it's part by allowing more private sector universities. Enforcing the QUALITY & standard comes next, once these institutes will start producing graduates. How difficult is that to understand!
btw I bet you also missed this bit from HSE website
*DHA Suffa University Karachi, Nazeer Hussain University withdrawn from HEC list, due to lack of physical, financial & academic infrastructure.
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Doesn't it mean that HSE is checking on their quality and standards?