Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Not on any basis that would be relevant to 1984 etc. With respect to that you simply havent been able to show that Molvies are under any threat from whatever has been said on this forum or by any organizations. Perhaps you have heard of the harm principle.
LMAO Dodge and duck eh? So the harm principle now applies to the incitement to murder laws? LMAO!!
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
You’ll note that my first reaction to you bringing the molvies up was whether any molvies had been affected by people posting here, or any organizations that you say advocate killing molvies. Clearly the harm principle hasnt come up just now.
The incitement to murder laws are an example of restrictions of speech based on the harm principle. Another example are hate speech laws, although they are more offence than harm (which is why I didnt use them as an example). I think fatway calling for the killing of minorities similarly do result in harm, whereas there is no evidence of any molvies ever being harmed as a result of abuse on forums or any organizations.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Ravage it is a very simple aspect of life. You keep a general principle and apply it to all. You do not pick and choose who it applies too. As for Molvis being killed, there are a good many who have died in Pakistan to the hands of the TTP and other sectarian groups. You assumed I meant liberal groups that dislike molvis - due to your bias and your assumption of the bias I hold.
It was merely to point out that in cases of Molvis deaths you raise questions on if they are being targeted, when they have in fact been targeted by the TTP and other groups. I was merely pointing out your bias when it comes to issues of general humanistic values.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Ravage it is a very simple aspect of life. You keep a general principle and apply it to all. You do not pick and choose who it applies too. As for Molvis being killed, there are a good many who have died in Pakistan to the hands of the TTP and other sectarian groups. You assumed I meant liberal groups that dislike molvis - due to your bias and your assumption of the bias I hold.
It was merely to point out that in cases of Molvis deaths you raise questions on if they are being targeted, when they have in fact been targeted by the TTP and other groups. I was merely pointing out your bias when it comes to issues of general humanistic values.
Ah, so its a misunderstanding. Because I thought I clarified the issue of molvies being killed by religious groups such as TTP/Lashkar-e-Jhangvi etc when I said this:
Usually the people killing molvies are prompted by molvies of other sects, so they would be included in what I said.
So yes, the advocacy of murder of molvies through fatwas was already covered.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Yes but then you question it when it isn't religious violence. That is my point. On issues of civil liberties you can not pick and choose and that is exactly what you do. Killing anybody for the sake of religion is wrong. Demanding they die is wrong. Making hate filled statements is wrong. Be you a Liberal writer for the media or an individual.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Yes but then you question it when it isn't religious violence.That is my point. On issues of civil liberties you can not pick and choose and that is exactly what you do. Killing anybody for the sake of religion is wrong. Demanding they die is wrong. Making hate filled statements is wrong. Be you a Liberal writer for the media or an individual.
The curtailment of speech is based on the harm its causing. Religious speech, in the form of fatwas or justifications for religious and sectarian violence, is causing harm. Liberal writers or posters bashing molvies on bulletin boards are not. Since the harm is not comparable, the demand for taking an equal view of both speeches is ludicrous, especially since harm is the basis on which the speech is being curtailed in the first place.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Thanks for making my point for me.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Answer to intolerance is tolerance...
Those who are blind in thier hate give them eyes...
Those who are mad in love give them what they have lost...
Those who are rabbid in thier evil ways treat them as you would a rabid dog....
"Do not dissmember, not even a rabid dog" Ya Ali!!!
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Thanks for making my point for me.
Great, glad you agree with me.
Answer to intolerance is tolerance...
Those who are blind in thier hate give them eyes...
Those who are mad in love give them what they have lost...
Those who are rabbid in thier evil ways treat them as you would a rabid dog....
"Do not dissmember, not even a rabid dog" Ya Ali!!!
That is some freaky stream of consciousness writing there Faris Udeen.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Great, glad you agree with me.
Sadly no. But I guess that is okay really. One needs its republicans and the ACLU in this world.
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Indeed please forgive me, my poetic side has taken over today. 
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
True. And most libertarians are republicans anyway.
heh
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
Sadly no. But I guess that is okay really. One needs its republicans and the ACLU in this world.
Taliban would rip ACLU into pieces or shreds since they support gay rights.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
And that is actually very very good. Nobody should be discriminated against because what they believe or wish to practice as long as it doesn't have negative consequences on others.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
tolerance requires principles. Principles are a luxury for most people and indirectly proportional to misery index.
Level of intolerance is therefore simply an indicator of how miserable people feel and live.
For example - it is far more likely that you are charitable when you feel wealthy than otherwise.