Same sane religious scholar Allama Tahir Ashrafi again. I wish we had more tolerant and forward-thinking maulanas like him. All maulvis should take his lead
Interesting discussion in the wake of Shahbaz Bhatti’s murder and growing intolerance in our society
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How about the government take the lead and then maybe the population would follow suit. Afterall, we support some party/someone were willing to listen to...
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reduce the reliance on military.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
reduce the reliance on military.
It's a political matter not a military.
The military is there to balance regional power with our arch rivals. They can not reduce the minimum deterrence level as it will be a security breach and place Pakistani interests in danger. :)
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Solution in my estimation is quiting this obsesesion with religion. Keep religion and politics separate. Govt should focus on what Jinnah envisioned as the role of govt instead of getting involved in petty issues that should be left inside the Mosque.
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It's a political matter *not a military. *
The military is there to balance regional power with our arch rivals. They can not reduce the minimum deterrence level as it will be a security breach and place Pakistani interests in danger. :)
Exactly!
reduce the reliance on military.
It is not as simple as that. The vast majority of the society is tolerant and moderate (watch part 2). No religious party has ever done well in any Pak election 1970-2007. It is a few religious fundos who are politicized who are the problem, who resort to violence in the name of islam
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reduce the reliance on military.
The problem isnt the military, its the fact that govts, who ever it is that's in power, refuse to or fail to focus on real issues, and instead fall back on petty religious issues for the sake of political expediency, and to divert from their failings on everything that actually matters.
Many Pakistani politicians have used religion to appeal to the masses and keep themselves in power. Bhutto for example, despite being a liberal and secular, under pressure from the Right, succumbed to pressure and declared Ahmdis as non Muslims. Zia, knowing full well that his rule was unconstitutional, used religion to perpetuate his rule and deflect criticism by appearing to champion Islamic causes.
Re: Growing intolerance in Pakistani society, What is the solution?
It's a political matter not a military.
The military is there to balance regional power with our arch rivals. They can not reduce the minimum deterrence level as it will be a security breach and place Pakistani interests in danger. :)
but don't you think military is being used for political matters? even foreign policy is driven by them.
in turn I think the military takes advantage of the chaos to enrich themselves and the vicious cycle continues.
i used to think it was religious obsession but have since then learnt the obsession is only an effect (ie people cling to religion and myth when chaos reigns in day to day life) and not the cause
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but don't you think military is being used for political matters? even foreign policy is driven by them.
in turn I think the military takes advantage of the chaos to enrich themselves and the vicious cycle continues.
i used to think it was religious obsession but have since then learnt the obsession is only an effect (ie people cling to religion and myth when chaos reigns in day to day life) and not the cause
Yes, the military is being used by politicians in the wrong way. What is your point? It is still the political matter as they order the military not the other way around.
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^ so it follows that you guy shave to work at reducing the power role and influence of the military and learn to solve problems without running to them.
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I think you forget the Army is the most stable institution in the whole country. However, for real change to take place it's the politician that need to reverse their attitudes and how they govern. The military has nothing to do with that...
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In the intolerance for the religious reasons or religious sentiments are just being used to exploit the volcano of frustration?
In countries where religion is not issue, yet we have seen intolerance to the level that 1000s were killed, Combodia, Laos, African conflicts, Latin-Americans tensions comes to mind.
vast majority of Pakistani do not entertain religious intolerance, nor does the support such forces, Tahir Al-Qadri, Dr. Israar, Ghulam Murtaza Malik, and Tahir Ashrifi, along with Sajid Meer and with few others are well respected Scholars of Islam and do have following, none of them have ever promoted nor does they have ever found in any violence-related activity...
The current intolerance is not because of lack of religious intolerance in the Pakistani society ( this is what west is not trying to portray Pakistan), it is because of incompetent leadership and govt, which have given no hope and taken away all the opportunities ( still seeking to take away if any is left) necessary for economic development of the nation and common man.
There is hadith which says something like, Poverty takes to kufr and create FITNA... our society today is living example of this poverty... where a man send his children to madrassa cause he cannot provide them with basics. People sell their children to terrorists, young-men joining terror groups to pay their bills because there aren't any jobs available nor does we have hope to have any of those in near future...
the current wave of intolerance is due to lack of any hope and this is dangerous, the govt seems to be least worried when they cut the gas of the industrial zones causing direct damages to the daily income of the 1000s of labors...
Summing up all, Frustration and Depression is the word, i remember in college days when, every 2nd or 3rd man i use to meet on my way to college use to joke around and i do know now that every 2nd or 3rd man is swearing on someone for same reason they use to laugh about...
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Great analyzing/suggestions/solutions by all three guests specially Moulana sahib, and am also totally agreed what Hanibal repated point in various thread about strong educational system, there is nothing worse happened if we honestly take our guidence from Quran and Sunnah of Mohmmad SAW PBUH.
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This :k:
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oh him…should be a must listen. i remember regarding salman taseer’s murder he was the only one who was talking sensibly.
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HATS OFF TO scholar Allama Tahir Ashrafi. just brilliant. mashallah
I had kinda negative impression of moulvis but he has just changed my perception.
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Education
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The musical melody has it. Education. But then again education is not the key to everything. But it is the building block of tolerance.
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The solution is to stop listening to maulanas, all of them!
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If that is the case convert and get it over with. None of you lot would have to ever listen to Maulana's again!
