Greeting others with Merry Christmas...

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Dear CB, that is an entirely reasonable approach. Sometimes meaning is not apparent from a sentence. Not that you need my endorsement, but I truly believe you are extremely toleran. I may disagree with some points here and there. But that is par for the course. Thanks for the nice response. I have to now follow CB AND HUMA approach to communication.

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Why not?

Christian person says Merry Christmas and Muslim says "Merry Christmas to you too" [OR even "Same to you"].

How come BOTH scenario will not give a Christian the feeling that a person being Muslims has no problem in sharing the sentiment?

Being insignificant still does not mean wrong.

Hence why make a big deal of something insignificant?

I can say the method of celebrating birth of anyone or any prophet can be controversial but celebrating the birth EVENT itself should not make anyone wrong to the extreme of calling that person Kaafir or Mushrik etc.

Already mentioned above that it really does not matter which day or date.

Anyhow, the problem is with the day or date..... or celebrating the event?

The whole concept of celebrating Birth of a person has changed no doubt but still remembering a person on ANY particular day and talkng about the person and refreshing the ideas put forward by the person by itself is not such a bad act.

The word Biddah is such a controversial word and you cannot just make the meaning of this word as you feel fit.

A real biddah would be to pray deliberately in any direction other than towards Qiblah, Reciting prayer in English, praying two times a day, giving Zakat to non-Muslims, appointing a woman as Imam etc. etc.

But, not just saying Merry Christmas WITHOUT saying anything about Issa AS being son of God or not.

Nope.

No one has shown how saying Merry Christmas (two words) really means condoning anything what Christians do.

Zakir Naik just extended the 'intention' of the person he doesn't even know.

There is no element of Shirk or Biddah in the eyes of a whole lot of Muslims.

Some selective Muslims (Perhaps Wahabis or Deobandis) may think it is Biddah. :)

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Sorry Diwana, I realized after having read your comment twice , that your grasp of the basic concept is weak. hence why there is no point discussing this any further.

I would encourage you though, to read more on what Biddah is , why prophet SAW and his sahaba never celebrated their own birthdays, why prophet SAW's response used to be extremely generic when a non muslim would wish him.

Once you have collected that knowledge, you will see where we are coming from. Shirk is not a trivial matter and the only sin that Allah will not forgive. We have been totally made clear. Therefore i pray that Allah helps us with His divine guidance, in staying away from any form of shirk , no matter how small or big it is.

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Peace Chicken Biryani and ajazali

There was a time when these matters were more clear cut … but modernity has misted the waters … I feel the best response is one given by Shaykh Gibril Haddad … He was born Christian (Arab) and celebrated Christmas for 30 years knowing that it was actually a celebration of “Divine Sonship” but actually rooted in paganism, predating the actual birth of Christ. He argues in a similar way to your given fatwas, but there are some caveats he has given.

Today there is less consensus in this matter, and muftis do attend certain Christmas events for political reasons with Christian allies, etc. Responding to a gesture of festive well wishing without clarifying your position that you believe it to be wrong … is condoning evil. I often respond to them by saying “And a happy new year to you”, although I have tripped up a bit in the past. May Allah (SWT) forgive our inefficiencies.

We don’t return Christmas cards, but when I was young my Mum used to get us cards with robins or snow scenes on them and no crucifixes … to avoid the Christian implication, but now even those ones with holy, and trees, etc are really rooted in paganism … so it’s better to just avoid the cards altogether. Besides, if we were to analyse what rituals constitute the “Celebration of Christmas” - Sending well wishes for the festivities is part of the ritual … Although in diwana’s defence … He did state clearly that it is wrong to go out and do the well wishing proactively.

Returning the wishes is the more important issue here … the answer is yes … we do return them by saying things like “thank you … I hope you have a sober time in this period” or something else witty and jovial rather than saying “I don’t celebrate Christmas” or “Bah, humbug” :slight_smile:

Look here:
http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/sm1-gfh_e.html#ccc

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Thank you Psyah. It confirms that Alhumdulillah, Allah has enlightened a few of us to realize the right from the wrong and we pray that Allah provides that guidance to the entire muslim Ummah.

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Ameen ... We also need to go leniently on our fellow Muslims and make excuses for them, more so in this day and age. If we can stand clear from the boundaries we are safe, but if others are closer to those boundaries and say their intentions are pure - then we should not hold them to account. It is also clear that the ruling is one based on "consensus of scholars" which is a valid basis for something to be forbidden, it is not from Qur'an or hadith directly, and as long as they have even a few of the more lenient fatwas I believe they are safe too. But if you can be more prudent yourself then do so ... and may Allah (SWT) reward you accordingly.

Also note that the response given by Dr. Phillips that you posted referring to Ibn-ul-Qayyim regarding the matter of returning festive greetings - Ibn-ul-Qayyim did also state "even if you are saved from shirk" ...

I believe shirk has to be with intent to be shirk. But not all forbidden acts must be with intent to be forbidden. And if there is consensus in a matter with the scholars for it to be forbidden then this is acceptable, but deeming anything forbidden and there being no consensus on it while it is in no clear terms in the scriptures then this is dangerous and is itself a biddah.

GF Haddad and an opinion I follow - do not call celebrations of mawlid (birthdays) reprehensible biddah and we are from a school that distinguish biddah hasana from biddah sayyiah

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Psyah brother, I agree with you in some places but disagree on the others.

Christians may not be doing Shirk, because Islam may not have reached them yet. but us as muslims know that its Shirk. That knowledge means we should not condone any act that is even close to any form of Shirk. Its not only related to Christians, but also the hindus and any other faith that create partners to Allah SWA.

If you notice, in multiple places, I have said that "if we cannot directly make our position clear to the non-muslims " .. the reason I said that is because, firstly it may not be possible for many of us to be prepared for full fledge Dawah. The place or the occasion may not be appropriate. Hence when we cannot make our position clear to them, the best option is to make a generic response and move away from the situation. Rather then wishing them in the same manner as them and condoning their acts.

As far as the political presence of Mufti's in non Islamic occasions, is concerned. I am positive they go there with the intent of Dawah. Not with the intent of enjoying a party or confirming their belief. If someone wishes me Christmas and invites me to a x-mas party, I would politely decline and let them know that I do not celebrate X-mas, I turn them down because I know I am still not prepared for a full fledge Dawah.

If a non muslim is going against the Islamic teachings, we can only make dua for them that Allah shows them the path. But when a muslim comits a grave sin as shirk and is in discussion with another muslim, its bound upon us to let them know clearly what Islamic take on this will be. This specially is important when its a matter of important Islamic points.

I agree that there will always be less important issues where muslims may not agree with each other, for example shia's dont believe in khulfa-e-Rashideen, there is a huge difference among many sects in how best to pray etc etc .. letting go of those less important issues is encouraged, in order to keep peace amongst the muslims.

but this case where Shirk is very evident. Shouldnt really be considered a minor issue. As far as the Birthday of the Prophet Muhammed SAW is concerned. We know for a fact that if Prophet wanted it, he had ample time to do it. His Sahaba would have done it. But no, they chose not to do it. We should not do it either. Anything that is done out of the limits of Quran and Hadith, can very well be classed as a Biddah which means bringing unnecessary innovations in Islam.

When we say consensus of the scholars, I agree that due to so many different sects, the fatwa's have become really confusing. If for some reason we are questioning certain "consensus", then the best bid is to atleast stay close to the Quran and the Sunnah. There are somethings that the Prophet SAW could have done, but chose not to do. they are part of his Sunnah. Sunnah doesnt mean only those things that he did. We must keep that in mind to remain closely tied to the Islamic teachings. Otherwise there is too much confusion.

One last thing, we cannot control the actions of other muslims. but Allah has asked us to discourage non Islamic acts. If not by force, then by letting the others know, and if even that is not possible, then we shun them in our heart but thats the least of the liked amongst the three options , in the eyes of Allah.

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 5142 Narrated by AbuBakr as-Siddiq **You people recite this verse, "You who believe, care for yourselves; he who goes astray cannot harm you when you are rightly guided." I heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say, "When people see something objectionable and do not change it, Allah will soon include them all in His punishment."
Ibn Majah and Tirmidhi, who declared it to be sahih, transmitted it.

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Can a Muslim say happy Christmas to his friends? - This Britain - UK - The Independent

Suheil Azam was sitting in a coffee shop in east London last month when one his friends began a debate on whether it was permissible under Islamic scripture for Muslims to wish their non-Muslim friends happy Christmas. As a 23-year-old professional who socialises widely, Mr Azam had never considered the possibility that someone in his community might frown upon him for going round to his neighbours at Christmas or partying during New Year. But his friend, who had become increasingly devout, was adamant that such behaviour was haram (forbidden).

“Personally I think he’s wrong,” explained Mr Azam. “But it’s difficult to argue against him because all the information he gets is taken from the internet and it makes him sound very knowledgeable.”

Such a debate between two young British Muslims would have been almost unthinkable two decades ago. But today it is frequently the internet that young Muslims turn to when looking for spiritual advice. And what they find in cyberspace is often shockingly intolerant. “Do not congratulate [the unbeliever] on their festivals in any way whatsoever,” warns one prominent site. “That implies approval of their festival and not denouncing them.”

While the real world provides a vast array of interpretations from a variety of Islamic schools, more often than not it is the intolerant strands of Islam taught by Saudi Arabia’s fundamentalist Wahabi scholars that dominate online. Backed by billions of petrodollars and an army of tech-savvy graduates who are more than capable of capturing the YouTube generation’s imagination, the internet has long been a stronghold for the most intolerant forms of Islam. For those who wish to see the West’s Muslim communities continue to integrate with their neighbours, the prevalence of such isolationist rhetoric is of great concern. Armed with quotes from Saudi scholars living thousands of miles away, a small number of angry young British Muslims are forgoing the inclusive Islam their parents were once taught in favour of an interpretation that encourages them to cut themselves off from mainstream society and view all non-Muslims with contempt.

But now, as the Hajj gets under way in Mecca, one of the world’s oldest Islamic institutions has come to Britain to remind young Muslims who might be tempted by the Wahabi rhetoric that there is an alternative way to worship. **Scholars from Al-Azhar in Cairo have been touring Britain’s mosques to launch a new online book of fatwas (Islamic judgements) which directly challenge the Saudi way of thinking.

The second oldest university in the world, after China’s Nanking University, Al-Azhar was generally seen as the foremost centre of learning in the Sunni world until Saudi Arabia began exporting its millenarian version of Islam en masse from the late 1970s. Critics have since accused Al-Azhar of being too close to the widely disliked Egyptian government, but it remains one of the few international schools of Islamic jurisprudence with enough historical clout to challenge Saudi Arabia’s supremacy.

The 200-page book, entitled The Response, has been available in the Middle East in Arabic for two years but this is the first time a comprehensive list of some of the most commonly asked questions encountered by Al-Azhar’s scholars has been available in English, and equally importantly, Urdu, the national language of Pakistan. The issues answered in the book range from whether the Earth revolves around the Sun (Sheikh Ibn Baaz, Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti during the 1990s, insisted that the Sun revolved around the Earth) to whether a Muslim is allowed to perform magic tricks (Wahabis forbid it).

After each question, the book’s authors quote a fundamentalist fatwa and then offer their own, centrist alternative. In reply to whether Muslims can greet non-believers during their festivals, for instance, Al-Azhar’s scholars write: “There is no harm in congratulating non-Muslims with whom you have a family relationship, or that are neighbours of yours.” They then give examples from the Prophet Mohamed’s life that showed his tolerance toward other religions.**

Sheikh Abdel Fattah El Bezm, the Grand Mufti of Damascus, was one of two Al-Azhar trained scholars to tour the UK this week, visiting mosques in Birmingham and Manchester. An elderly cleric with a trimmed grey beard and warm eyes, the Islam he grew up with and went on to study was mainly concerned with creating a just world marked by kindness and lenience.
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In an interview with The Independent, he was keen to avoid blaming the Saudis directly, but it was clear that Al-Azhar’s scholars want to confront the hardliners’ rhetoric. “This is not an argument between two countries, between Saudi Arabia or Al-Azhar,” he said. “But we do want to show that there are many different schools of thought. A few decades ago people began to abuse Islam and abuse Muslims. They took Islam out of context; they used it for their own personal gain and it has come back to haunt us. We are now paying the price for that.” Richard Gauvain, a British-born academic and a specialist in Islam who has taught at the American University of Cairo for the past seven years, translated The Response into English and says it is time moderate scholars caught up with the online mullahs. “To be honest this book should have been written 30 years ago,” he said. “Its value lies in re-establishing Al-Azhar as the leading voice. It reaches out to the average guy on the street and reminds them that nuance and ambiguity have always been very much part of the Islamic tradition.”**

But will British Muslims listen to what Al-Azhar has to say? Earlier this year Al-Azhar launched an English language version of its famous Islamic Hotline. Commonly referred to as “Dial-a-Sheikh” in Egypt, the hotline was launched in 2000 and allowed ordinary Muslims from across the Middle East to phone Al-Azhar’s scholars for Islamic advice. It has since received over two million calls from around the world but has had trouble gaining a foothold in the UK. Chérif Abdel Meguid, the phone line’s rotund and bespectacled founder, was surprisingly candid about the limited success of the hotline in Britain: “Very few of our callers come from the UK at the moment,” he admitted. “We launched it in April but we haven’t followed it up with enough advertising yet. This week we’ve taken adverts out in some of the Urdu language British press so we hope to get more callers.” Inayat Bunglawala, the Muslim Council of Britain’s influential media secretary who recently founded his own group, Muslims4UK, believes the Egyptian institution’s reputation has suffered. “Educated Muslims look at Al-Azhar with respect because of its history as a beacon of learning but they are also very much aware that its reputation has dwindled in recent decades,” he said. "Many now regard it as little more than an extension of the Egyptian government whose sheikhs are called upon to make pronouncements that are favourable to the Egyptian regime. "

But Muhammad Ali Musawi from the Quilliam Foundation, which was set up by former extremists who have abandoned their hardline rhetoric, believes even extremists will take note of Al-Azhar fatwas. “I think this is something that we should welcome,” he said. "[Al-Azhar] is still a respected institution and people will listen to what it has to say.

“The big problem, as ever, is resources. The sort of money Al-Azhar has backing it cannot even begin to compare with what Saudi Arabia puts in to funding its Wahabi clerics. Unfortunately, young British Muslims rarely come across a scholar from Al-Azhar. But barely a week goes by without a Saudi institution sending over one of their clerics to preach in our universities or mosques.”

Conflicting fatwas: Cairo vs Saudi Arabia

**Q. Should a husband or wife stay in a marriage if their partner no longer prays?

  • Fatwa from Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymin (a prominent 20th-century Saudi scholar) By abandoning his or her prayers, a person leaves Islam. It is forbidden, therefore, for a Muslim to remain with a husband or a wife who no longer prays.

  • Al-Azhar’s fatwa With a single stroke of the pen, this fatwa declares a vast number of Muslims to be unbelievers. In fact, it means that millions of people are now no longer Muslims. We do not know why the authors are so keen to exclude crowds of Muslims from God’s religion.

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Q. Is free thought and faith a positive attribute?

  • Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymin Whoever argues that a person is entitled to complete freedom of faith is an unbeliever, guilty of the major sin of disbelief.

  • Al-Azhar Allowing people freedom of faith does not mean that we consent to people forsaking their religion. However, we are dismayed by insistence on charging Muslims with acts of apostasy for the smallest of reasons.

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Q. Is it wrong to say the Earth moves around the Sun?

  • Sheikh Ibn Baaz (Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia 1993-99) "The person who maintains that the Sun does not move should be condemned to death after being called upon to repent, as his denials of the motion of the Sun constitute a denial of God’s Word.

  • Al-Azhar Matters which are not explicitly indicated in texts revealed by God should be referred to experts in these fields, such as astronomers. Such fatwas as this one sadly distorts the image of Islam worldwide.**

Q. Is it allowed for a Muslim to live in a non-Muslim country?

  • Sheikh Ibn Baaz It is illegal to live in such countries for work, trade or even for study, except when engaged in proselytising in the name of Islam.

  • Al-Azhar It is a Muslim’s duty, whether living within Muslim or non-Muslim communities, to benefit other members of those communities through teaching religion, calling for the good and opposing the bad.

Q. Are Muslims allowed to study secular law?

  • The Permanent Committee for Islamic Research (Saudi Arabia’s most senior school of Islamic jurisprudence) It is not permitted to teach secular law as a general course in higher education. This subject should be limited to specialists, who are able to show how secular law deviates from the truth [of Muslim law].

  • Al-Azhar There is nothing wrong with studying secular law providing that one’s study is guided by a legitimate interest, such as co-operating for the general good of society and fighting legal oppression.

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Thanks Ali for posting this article.

I will add just a few things. Its become common practice to diss the internet. The fact remains, knowledge will remain knowledge from which ever source one collects it. The important element is that, that information you are reading, does it make sense? if it does then you look for information in the Hadith and the Quran to get a clearer view. Islam is a very logical religion. Its really simple to understand if one knows the basics well.

We cant even be sure if the info we are reading in some islamic book is correct! there is so much knowledge of all sorts out there. Some may call the Saudi Sheikhs following Wahabism. But what gives us the gurantee that this Egyptian lot is correct in their information? Tomorrow an African group will stand and start dissing the egytians. Where does it all end?

The best approach to matters like these is to read the material that is quoted in the Hadith books and the Quran. If that makes sense to us along with some text, then logically apply that to Islamic principles and believe me we will get our answers right. I personally do not acknowledge all the stuff that saudi's say. And lets not even go to the level of jahalat that UK has ! its unbelievable.

Also i read once that ask anyone and they will manage to pull out a fatwa of some sort to support their argument. The best answers will only be those that refer to hadith that can be double checked in the known books. and argument that then makes sense will be alot more reliable then many fatwa's floating around.

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^ the thing is that the topic in discussion is not explicitly present in Quran or Hadith. We can only refer to various fatwas, and for the same topic we can get conflicting fatwas even within the same school of thought (which is evident from the topic I posted above). Well the effects of Petro dollars are making an impact through out the muslim world, and even within Pakistan as well but it has only increased the intolerance of the society. I have been able to see this phenomena very closely during my university studies and then during the past 10 years.

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Ali not really. At least in what I have quoted above, i have been trying my best to find answers in sunnah. Because alot of things arent mentioned in the Quran itself , or they are mentioned but clarified more in the Sunnah .. So most answers I have tried giving here have been from the perspective of what Prophet Muhammed SAW did and did not do. I think thats clear enough evidence for us.

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Peace sister Chicken Biryani

From this response I think you misunderstood me ...

Shirk has to be with intent to be shirk ... I didn't mean the intent of "shirk" has to be there ... What I meant was the intent of "consciously worshipping other than Allah" or "consciously placing an Attribute of Allah (SWT) to another" is shirk ...

This means Christians and Hindus are mushrik ... And they do shirk ... Because they worship that what should not be worshipped ... Even unknowingly, even if Islam has not reached them ... They are still doing shirk ...

But forbidden (haram) acts are not all shirk ... You see ... Eating pork is not shirk ... Otherwise I have no idea what it means to be "close to shirk" ... It is either shirk or it is not ...

the reason why the festivities of Christmas is not acceptable is not because the Muslim who returns the gesture is doing the shirk ... But because the Muslim is condoning the Christian in his shirk by returning that gesture ... That does not amount shirk for the Muslim but is still wrong ... As it amounts to giving misguidance ...

WaAllahuRahmanu'alim

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CB;

I think you are giving this matter a wrong twist just because you have read some opinions of some people who have really made this a big issue than what it is.

If you really want to discuss what biddah is or not then you will get equally opposite response from people who do acts which could be considered biddah in your book but in reality may not be.

I know you cannot even define word Biddah (in negative term) and I say it with utmost confidence.

Yes there is general concept of word Biddah and I used that to give you examples of Biddah.

But there is such term as "Biddah e Hasna

*Please read this very carefully:
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Allah has no issue with people doing something to please him even if Allah did not ask the person to that. Provided it does not directly contradict with what Allah says not to do.

Basically, your intention makes an act right or wrong.....still being in limit.


Now:

Coming to our discussion, you have not come up with ANY explanation why saying the two words means the person is agreeing or saying Issa AS was son of God!!

I have given you open challenge. **

You or anyone cannot give any reasonable answer why saying Merry Christmas is equivalent to being a Mushrik.
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P.S. I urge you to read Islam and its basic requirements and you should not get so emotional to any trivial matters like this and start doubting someone's intention.

Thank you.

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i admire the passion you guys have for this topic LOL :smack:

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salam

i didnt read the earlier part, started off like a story, but the following 'conflicting' fatwas are not so far from each other as they are presented to be. to appreciate this point you need read both the questions posed and the answers given. given a broader scope both could cover the same points eventually

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I think it is very important and serious question. Worth asking and learning about.

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This issue was raised in Sydney as well, when Australia’s biggest mosque put up a fatwa not to greet non muslims with “Merry Christmas” but the strong reaction from within the community has forced them to take back the fatwa.

Lakemba Mosque removes Christmas ‘fatwa’ post

**Australia’s biggest mosque has removed an online post that called for a ‘fatwa’ against Christmas following harsh condemnation from the Muslim community.
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**The Lakemba Mosque had posted the religious ruling or ‘fatwa’ on its Facebook page on Saturday morning, warning followers it was a “sin” to even wish people a Merry Christmas.

**It followed a similar lecture during Friday prayers at the western Sydney mosque.

The head imam at Lakemba, Sheikh Yahya Safi, had told the congregation during prayers that they should not take part in anything to do with Christmas.

Samier Dandan, the president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, confirmed to Fairfax on Sunday morning that the post had been removed from the mosque’s Facebook page.

He said a youth worker had copied the text of the fatwa from another Islamic website and it did not reflect Sheikh Safi’s lecture or the views of the LMA.

One of the posts from the mosque’s Facebook page that has been removed. The fatwa, which sparked widespread community debate and condemnation, warned that the “disbelievers are trying to draw Muslims away from the straight path”.

It also says that Christmas Day and associated celebrations are among the “falsehoods that a Muslim should avoid … and therefore, a Muslim is neither allowed to celebrate the Christmas Day nor is he allowed to congratulate them”.

**The posting of the fatwa has shocked many Muslim leaders. The Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, said the foundations of Islam were peace, co-operation, respect and holding others in esteem.

“Anyone who says otherwise is speaking irresponsibly,” he said.

“There is difference between showing respect for someone’s belief and sharing those beliefs,” Dr Ibrahim said.

Dr Ibrahim said the views did not represent the majority of Muslims in Australia. “We are required to have good relations with all people, and to congratulate them on their joyous events is very important.”

**The fatwa quotes the teacher Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim as saying that congratulating disbelievers for their rituals is forbidden, and if a "Muslim who says this does not become a disbeliever himself, he at least commits a sin as this is the same as congratulating him for his belief in the trinity, which is a greater sin and much more disliked by Almighty Allaah than congratulating him for drinking alcohol or killing a soul or committing fornication or adultery”.

**A community leader, Dr Jamal Rifi, said he did not agree with the school of thought behind the fatwa.

“We can share the festivities with friends and families and neighbours – I don’t think there is any civil, religious or ethical reason not to,” he said.

Dr Rifi and Sheikh Youssef Nabha, the imam of the Kingsgrove Mosque, are travelling to Nauru on Sunday night with priests from the Maronite and Melkite churches in Sydney to attend Christmas celebrations with the asylum seekers held there.**

Dr Rifi said he and Sheikh Youssef would be distributing Christmas cards during the visit.

A community advocate and Muslim convert, Rebecca Kay, told Fairfax Media: "It’s sad to see the Lebanese Muslim Association, which considers itself the peak body representing Australian Muslims, with comments like these. It goes to show how far they are from representing the community.

“The notion that Muslims wishing other people a merry Christmas will take them out of their faith is outright ridiculous, laughable and borders on the extreme.”

**Keysar Trad, a former official with the Lebanese Muslim Association, said in his time with the organisation they used to regularly greet people with merry Christmas. “I don’t know what has changed,” he said. “But now as a representative of Australia’s peak Muslim body, the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, I would like to wish all your readers a merry Christmas and a happy new year.”
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Read more: Lakemba Mosque removes Christmas ‘fatwa’ post

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One can understand if the festival was about some Hindu, Zoroastrian or Buddhist etc. ritual but the greeting on the festival of Issa AS birthday, the common prophet (Albeit controversial based on the date and time of the year) should not automatically make a Muslim Kaafir/Infidel or Mushrik.

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Apart from returning the greetings what if your christian neighbors send you a christmas cake. will you accept it and eat it?

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if it tastes good..yeah